Sneaky pricks! Thanks for the head up.
I get asked by a lot of Americans about this:
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Yep, you got totally skrewed.
If they really wanted a useful answer the question would have been: "Who needs a weapon on the street and wants to carry one? OK, Officer, here it is."
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But that would acknowledge that there is a problem with armed criminals.... and that doesn't fit well with the ostrich-like politicians.
They still seem to think that creating more gun laws is the way to go, because of course everyone obeys the law... don't they..???
As I recall, the UK doesn't have any armed citizens because there are no citizens.
They are subjects of the Realm, which (despite the Magna Carta) means the people are subject to the whims of power.
If you arm the subjects on a level as low as beat cops, then reality might dawn on them that citizenship is preferable to subjugation.
We started shooting British soldiers when we figured that part out about 240 years ago.
They are subjects of the Realm, which (despite the Magna Carta) means the people are subject to the whims of power.
If you arm the subjects on a level as low as beat cops, then reality might dawn on them that citizenship is preferable to subjugation.
We started shooting British soldiers when we figured that part out about 240 years ago.
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Absolutely, but it wasn't going to happen because they didn't want it to happen, that's why they did it the way they did.
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Correct, check the wording on a British passport it says " SUBJECT " not citizen like the U.S or France. I think 240 years you guys got it right BTW. That's one of the reasons why when I retired I voted with my feet and moved to Spain.
I do not spend a penny of my Police pension in nanny state England so I am now screwing them !
After the Brits lost America, they made sure they had the rest screwed down tight. They raped and plundered the colonies for ages, but it has come back to haunt them now.
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Well so did we, as did nearly every other country that was able to do so, all throughout history.
So it's kind of hard to take a hard line against the modern plunderers, when the world has such a history of these things.
But in the end you pay one way or another. Bite the bullet and move forward to make it a better world.
Now about this aristocracy problem in Britain . . .
Who are the people moaning the most about brexit? The rich people who stand the most to lose in terms of absolute pounds sterling.
If the average British citizen is going to get screwed over by 5000 pounds, they will cry and moan in protest. If the British aristocracy get screwed over by a billion pounds, There Will Be Blood in the streets.
Well I predict you're going to see a little bit of both but not too much of either.
Back to the original topic...
Do you Aussies have wealthies who maintain large private security compaies? Armed private security?
Fresno County is still a little bit of the Wild West, with all the Mexicans in drug smuggling, and tweaking meth cookers, tramps, and illegal "citizens"-- armed private security companies are growing here.
But now I am wondering what is allowed in Oz
Do you Aussies have wealthies who maintain large private security compaies? Armed private security?
Fresno County is still a little bit of the Wild West, with all the Mexicans in drug smuggling, and tweaking meth cookers, tramps, and illegal "citizens"-- armed private security companies are growing here.
But now I am wondering what is allowed in Oz
The problem is a bit different in Australia, the outback and the North (where our nearest neighbours come from) are huge and we are surrounded by water. but many of cattle stations (ranches) occupy many thousands of square miles. This will give you an idea of the area involved'
And you guys think Texas is big.
And you guys think Texas is big.
Well the ocean and Australian desert are a good barrier to land invasions.
You folks probably didn't need those pesky guns for national defense anymore, right?
My question was more about the issue of private security.
Are private security companies armed with firearms?
Here, our security companies promise "Armed Response". If our burglar alarm at the office goes off at 2 AM they show up with 10mm glocks and Mossberg shotguns.
You folks probably didn't need those pesky guns for national defense anymore, right?
My question was more about the issue of private security.
Are private security companies armed with firearms?
Here, our security companies promise "Armed Response". If our burglar alarm at the office goes off at 2 AM they show up with 10mm glocks and Mossberg shotguns.
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"Are private security companies armed with firearms?"
Very rarely in this State (I think it is the case with other States). Mostly for Armoured car duties, this has probably tapered off a bit as everyone gets paid by bank transfer nowadays so the cash is not moving around as much etc. But as this need slows down, other stuff arises I suppose.
The paperwork and hoops you have to jump through to get licensed to carry a firearm as a security guard is mind boggling and they have to qualify much more often than the cops do.
There are rich guys that maintain security on their properties, but they invarably are employed by a security company.
What is disturbing is the fact that the general pay for security is way down in comparison to other jobs and most of the security industry here is being taken over by Muslim owners and guards. That doesn't bode well for the future.
Very rarely in this State (I think it is the case with other States). Mostly for Armoured car duties, this has probably tapered off a bit as everyone gets paid by bank transfer nowadays so the cash is not moving around as much etc. But as this need slows down, other stuff arises I suppose.
The paperwork and hoops you have to jump through to get licensed to carry a firearm as a security guard is mind boggling and they have to qualify much more often than the cops do.
There are rich guys that maintain security on their properties, but they invarably are employed by a security company.
What is disturbing is the fact that the general pay for security is way down in comparison to other jobs and most of the security industry here is being taken over by Muslim owners and guards. That doesn't bode well for the future.
I have no idea how people see these things in Australia, but over here the general feeling is that private security officers are sort of a joke.
Hollywood even made some stupid movie about Mall Cops, which didn't help the image very much at all.
Hollywood even made some stupid movie about Mall Cops, which didn't help the image very much at all.
Pretty much the same here. I remember the movie Mall Cop. The security officers were placed outside banks about ten or more years ago after a robbery and this seem to start the rot where cops were not handling anything they could palm off to a security officer. The banks had to provide a security officer and an unarmed person with minimum training was placed outside every bank. I don't know what they were supposed to do, but it satisfied the insurance companies and allowed the bank to transfer any responsibility to the poorly paid security guard standing out in the cold or heat. These aren't used anymore, but it seems securty officers are everywhere, but in the main, useless. Our State have very stringent requirements, must be first aid trained law, etc, but the State notrh of here are pretty much pay the fee and get a rubber stamped license. There is a loophole and most of our security personell, fly to Brisbane, get off the plane, are escorted to the Police Station by the agent up there, sworn in, issued a license and driven back o the airport. Much cheaper (and a lot quicker than my State). Their Queensland Security License is then recognised here.
My son just got invalided out of the Navy and got a job with the second biggest security company in the State. He worked at an old industrial site a couple of miles from the Sydney CBD that had been converted into three luxury high rise condos as you guys call them, a shopping mall, park and common area. The site had a state of the art monitor room, with cameras everywhere. My son had a good deal of experience, having worked in security between stints in the Army and joining the Navy after a ten year break and was very impressed, it was all well designed.
His pay was $20 an hour cash in hand (which is paltry pay for an adult with some skills in Australia and the cash in hand business means that the compulsory Workers Compensation / WorkCover which is mandatory was not being paid by the sub contractors employing my son). They issued him one shirt. He was assigned to night shifts and his first shift was 16 hour long, followed by a 12 hour shift which only gave him 8 hours between shifts (he was staying with his brother, good job he owned a dryer). His subsequent shifts were 12 hours each. He was begrudgingly given one day off a week.
The site was massive. My son is a professional and contentious and made sure he covered the beat properly. He had to get the lift to the top floor, descend using th fire escae, checking all floors and hallways on the three high rises. He had to do a walk through of the mall, the park and the common area, then get in the car and do a lap of the perimeter check. Without any hold up and having to kick bums out of the park or common area, this took 20minutes going flat out. He then had several logs to write up and camera checks, all done just in time for another lap. In the middle of this, he had residents ringing him asking for a security guard to come to their building, which he wasn't abl to help with unless it was an emergency.
It was obvious that the other guard/s just did paper patrols and hoped for the best. But, my son was knocking himself out and it was killing him, being injured and medically discharged after, fighting a fire on his ship (a Naval oil tanker / refueller, big incentive to get a fire under control there!). After a few months, he had to throw the towel in and move home (I live in a country town). He lived here for awhile and is now settled in town with a few old school friends.
My son just got invalided out of the Navy and got a job with the second biggest security company in the State. He worked at an old industrial site a couple of miles from the Sydney CBD that had been converted into three luxury high rise condos as you guys call them, a shopping mall, park and common area. The site had a state of the art monitor room, with cameras everywhere. My son had a good deal of experience, having worked in security between stints in the Army and joining the Navy after a ten year break and was very impressed, it was all well designed.
His pay was $20 an hour cash in hand (which is paltry pay for an adult with some skills in Australia and the cash in hand business means that the compulsory Workers Compensation / WorkCover which is mandatory was not being paid by the sub contractors employing my son). They issued him one shirt. He was assigned to night shifts and his first shift was 16 hour long, followed by a 12 hour shift which only gave him 8 hours between shifts (he was staying with his brother, good job he owned a dryer). His subsequent shifts were 12 hours each. He was begrudgingly given one day off a week.
The site was massive. My son is a professional and contentious and made sure he covered the beat properly. He had to get the lift to the top floor, descend using th fire escae, checking all floors and hallways on the three high rises. He had to do a walk through of the mall, the park and the common area, then get in the car and do a lap of the perimeter check. Without any hold up and having to kick bums out of the park or common area, this took 20minutes going flat out. He then had several logs to write up and camera checks, all done just in time for another lap. In the middle of this, he had residents ringing him asking for a security guard to come to their building, which he wasn't abl to help with unless it was an emergency.
It was obvious that the other guard/s just did paper patrols and hoped for the best. But, my son was knocking himself out and it was killing him, being injured and medically discharged after, fighting a fire on his ship (a Naval oil tanker / refueller, big incentive to get a fire under control there!). After a few months, he had to throw the towel in and move home (I live in a country town). He lived here for awhile and is now settled in town with a few old school friends.
Banks here usually have one uniformed guard, inside or right at the door, with a pistol and a club and pepper spray.
But at the Teacher's Credit Union they don't.
I did see a uniformed guard there, but a young guy, not the least burly, and totally unarmed. I guess maybe all the teachers are too scared to even see a gun.
I walked over and said, "Son? Don't they even give you a stick and a stun gun?"
"No sir," he replied, "we're just allowed this clipboard and a pen."
The guy's risking his life outside a bank, for probably minimum wage, and they won't allow him a weapon.
But at the Teacher's Credit Union they don't.
I did see a uniformed guard there, but a young guy, not the least burly, and totally unarmed. I guess maybe all the teachers are too scared to even see a gun.
I walked over and said, "Son? Don't they even give you a stick and a stun gun?"
"No sir," he replied, "we're just allowed this clipboard and a pen."
The guy's risking his life outside a bank, for probably minimum wage, and they won't allow him a weapon.
Bloody criminal that is, sacrificing some young Dude, just to keep the insurance payments down. If it was my bank, I'd want some middle aged hardarse, he or she would be well armed and treated as an integral part of the bank and respected by fellow staff.