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CMP 1911a1's and the NDAA...**Updated 7/17/17**

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Civilian Marksmanship Program May Soon Offer Vintage M1911A1 Pistols...

Firearm collectors may soon be able to get their hands on vintage 1911 pistols through the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP), thanks to an amendment to the 2016 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). Sponsored by US Representative Mike Rogers (R-Alabama), the amendment would allow the US Army to transfer its stock of 100,000 surplus M1911A1 handguns to the CMP, allowing the firearms to be inspected, processed, and eventually prepared for sale through the program. According to AL.com, the NDAA recently passed out of the House Armed Services Committee and will be up for consideration by the rest of the House later this month.

“As a gun owner and strong believer in the Second Amendment, my proposal is a common-sense approach to eliminating an unnecessary cost to the Federal government while allowing the very capable CMP to handle the sale of these vintage firearms that otherwise would just sit in storage,” Rogers said in a press release. “This amendment is a win—win for the taxpayer. I was pleased the amendment passed the committee and appreciate the support my colleagues on this proposal.”

The M1911 is one of the most revered firearms in the history of the US military. It was originally designed by legendary gun maker John Browning and pressed into service in 1911. Despite the US Army replacing it with the Beretta M9 as the service’s standard sidearm in 1986, the 1911 remains in service with several branches of the military in various updated forms.
Of the surplus stock currently being held in storage, around 8,300 pistols have been sold to law enforcement or transferred to foreign countries. The remainder cost about $2 each to keep in storage, costing taxpayers roughly $200,000 each year in upkeep.

“This sensible change will save the taxpayers millions over the years to come, as well as aid a great organization that serves the public,” said Congressman Steve Russell (R-OK), who also supported the amendment, in a press release.

As a federally-chartered non-profit organization, the CMP is allowed to sell surplus military firearms, ammunition, and parts to its members. In order to purchase a firearm through the program, the buyer must be a US citizen and current member of a CMP-affiliated organization, show proof of participation in marksmanship activity, and be legally eligible to purchase a gun. Among the program’s most popular offerings are the M1 Garand rifle and M1 carbine, but the CMP also sells a number of other rifles and air guns.

http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2015/05/11/civilian-marksmanship-program-may-soon-offer-vintage-m1911a1-pistols/

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CMP would have enough business to last a couple more decades. They are nearly out of M-1s from what I heard.
 
Here is the list of eligibility requirements needed to obtain a firearm via the Civilian Marksmanship Program.

REQUIREMENTS FOR PURCHASE
By law, the CMP can sell surplus military firearms, ammunition, parts and other items only to members of CMP affiliated clubs who are also U.S. citizens, over 18 years of age and who are legally eligible to purchase a firearm.

PROOF OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP:
You must provide a copy of a U.S. birth certificate, passport, proof of naturalization, or any official government document that shows birth in the U.S. or states citizenship as U.S.

PROOF OF AGE:
You must provide proof of age. Usually proof of citizenship also provides proof of age. In those cases where it may not, a driver’s license is sufficient.

MEMBERSHIP IN CMP AFFILIATED ORGANIZATION:
You must provide a copy of your current membership card or other proof of membership. This requirement cannot be waived. The CMP currently has over 2,000 affiliated organizations located in many parts of the country. CMP Club Member Certification Form- If your CMP affiliated club does not issue individual membership cards, please have the club fill out the CMP Club Member Certification Form and return it with your order.

Membership in many of these organizations costs $25.00 or less and can be accomplished online. A listing of affiliated organizations can be found by clicking on our Club Search web page at http://ct.thecmp.org/app/v1/index.php?do=clubSearch. If you have any difficulty in locating a club, please contact the CMP at 256-835-8455 or by emailing CMP Customer Service. We will find one for you. In addition to shooting clubs, the CMP also has several special affiliates. Membership in these organizations satisfies our requirement for purchase. These special affiliates include: Congressionally chartered veterans’ organizations such as the VFW, AL, DAV, MCL, etc. U.S. Military services (active or reserves), National Guard, to include retirees. Professional 501(c)3 law enforcement organizations and associations such as the FOP, NAPO, NSA, etc. The Garand Collector’s Association is a CMP Affiliated Club. You can download a Garand Collector’s Association Application Form.

Note: Club membership IS required for purchase of rifles, parts, and ammunition.

Club membership is NOT required for instructional publications or videos or CMP memorabilia.
 
MARKSMANSHIP OR OTHER FIREARMS RELATED ACTIVITY:

You must provide proof of participation in a marksmanship related activity or otherwise show familiarity with the safe handling of firearms and range procedures. Your marksmanship related activity does not have to be with highpower rifles; it can be with smallbore rifles, pistols, air guns or shotguns. Proof of marksmanship participation can be provided by documenting any of the following:
  • Current or past military service.
  • Current or past law enforcement service
  • Participation in a rifle, pistol, air gun or shotgun competition (provide copy of results bulletin).
  • Completion of a marksmanship clinic that included live fire training (provide a copy of the certificate of completion or a statement from the instructor).
  • Distinguished, Instructor, or Coach status. – Concealed Carry License.
  • Firearms Owner Identification Cards that included live fire training. – FFL or C&R license.
  • Completion of a Hunter Safety Course that included live fire training.
  • Certification from range or club official or law enforcement officer witnessing shooting activity. Complete the CMP Marksmanship Form to certify your range firing and the required marksmanship related activity for an individual to purchase from the CMP.
No proof of marksmanship required if over age 60. Proof of club membership and citizenship required for all ages. NOTE: Proof of marksmanship activity is not required for purchase of ammunition, parts, publications or memorabilia.

BE LEGALLY ELIGIBLE TO PURCHASE A FIREARM:
The information you supply on your application will be submitted by the CMP to the FBI National Instant Criminal Check System (NICS) to verify you are not prohibited by Federal, State or Local law from acquiring or possessing a rifle. Your signature on the Purchaser Certification portion of the purchase application authorizes the CMP to initiate the NICS check and authorizes the FBI to inform CMP of the result. IMPORTANT: If your State or locality requires you to first obtain a license, permit, or Firearms Owner ID card in order to possess or receive a rifle, you must enclose a photocopy of your license, permit, or card with the application for purchase.

IMPORTANT:
If your State or locality requires you to first obtain a certificate, license, permit, or Firearms Owner ID card in order to possess or receive a rifle, you must enclose a photocopy of your certificate, license, permit, or card with the application for purchase. Rifle shipments to NY and NJ must be made to a state licensed dealer. You must provide a copy of the dealer’s license with your order form. Rifle shipments to CA must be made to a State licensed dealer or may be made to individual homes, providing that a CA Certificate of Eligibility and a Curio and Relic License are provided. Rifle shipments to CT must be made to licensed or dealer or may be shipped directly to the customer if a C&R license is provided.
As a result of CT Bill 1160 and Bill 13-220 , which revised CT Bill 1160, all CT customers purchasing rifles to be delivered in CT must have the rifle shipped to a CT licensed dealer or must provide us with a copy of their current Type 3 (C&R) FFL license. We can ship directly to a customer’s home if they possess a C&R license.

NY, NJ and CT customers who have already mailed their rifle orders to CMP should provide custserve@thecmp.org with dealer information or order cancellation instructions. Information can also be faxed to 256-835-3527 or mailed to CMP Customer Service, (Attn: FFL Order), 1401 Commerce Blvd., Anniston, AL 36207.

Obtaining a firearm from the CMP is far more difficult than obtaining a firearm from any other FFL, with burdens far beyond that of purchasing a firearm at your local gun store. In addition to the expected state and federal laws (including a required FBI NICS background check), people hoping to purchase a firearm via the CMP must prove U.S. citizenship (some legal aliens may purchase firearms at a regular gun store, but not the CMP), provide proof of membership in a CMP-affiliated organization, and provide proof of marksmanship.
 
Tbear said:
CMP would have enough business to last a couple more decades. They are nearly out of M-1s from what I heard.
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I read somewhere that there are still plenty overseas, but Nobama won't let them back in... :mad:

IF and WHEN 1911s become available, I guarantee you all applicable FFL laws regarding pistols will apply--such as FFL to FFL. Any state/local laws will apply when you pick it up such as a 3 (or more) day wait, etc...
 
I'm already in their database. Once it's a go I'm hitting the send button for a mil 1911. No questions asked.
 
Breaking News – The CMP Might Get Surplus 1911 Pistols After All

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The legislation allowing the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) to receive surplus 1911 pistols from the U.S. military and sell them to qualified U.S. citizens has passed both the House and Senate, according to CMP Chief Operating Officer Mark Johnson.

The post that appeared on the CMP’s Facebook page about two hours ago reads:

“An update on the 1911’s…IT HAS PASSED THE SENATE!

The legislation has passed both the House and Senate. It will now head to the President’s desk for signature. If signed, we will meet with Army to develop procedures. All of this will take time. We have no further information. When information becomes available we will communicate with our customers.

Thank you,

Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer”

The language allowing the CMP to acquire and sell pistols is in National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). The NDAA specifies the budget and expenditures for the U.S. military for the year and is required every year.
Under current federal law the CMP is only authorized to sell surplus .30 and .22 caliber military rifles, parts, and ammunition to qualified U.S. citizens “for marksmanship.” The CMP is best known for the sale of M1 Garand rifles but offers other rifles and ammunition on a “as-available” basis. The CMP is also involved in marksmanship training and competition programs.

The proposed change has had an up and down history. It was originally introduced in the house version of the bill, but was opposed by the administration and did not appear in earlier senate versions of the bill. My previous article, “Why You Won’t Buy a 1911 Pistol From the CMP Any Time Soon” relates some of the history of the bill and the rumors about CMP pistol sales.

Now that the new version of the NDAA has passed both the house and senate, it only needs to be signed by President Obama to become law. Note that the President does NOT have “line item veto” power, so the legislation will either be signed as it stands or vetoed entirely. While the administration has gone on record as opposing the sale of pistols by the CMP, it seems unlikely that this will be enough for the President to veto the entire bill.

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Good Luck with that...!! :rolleyes:

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Nobama will NOT be signing over ANY surplus guns ESPECIALLY pistols so don't get your hopes up... :(

That said, a letter to your favorite candidate articulately stating why the CMP is important and why he/she should allow civilians to buy surplus arms (for marksmanship training) may help once the bad person is out of the White House...
 
What bill was this attached to?

If it wasn't something important to him like for continuing to fund planned parenthood, he ain't gonna sign it.

You can forget about seeing it anytime within Dumbo's term.
 
John A. said:
What bill was this attached to?

If it wasn't something important (like for continuing to fund planned parenthood (rolleyes), he ain't gonna sign it.

You can forget about seeing it anytime within Dumbo's term.
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Defense spending bill NDAA.
 
There may be some hope then.

With Putin rattling his cage, he may actually sign that one.

I'd be interested in one, but $350-$425 would be about top of the mark I would consider paying for one. You can get a brand spanking new Colt 1911 starting in the upper $600's. And the property rollmark isn't worth paying a premium for to me.
 
About 3 days ago President Obama signed the 2016 National Defense Authorization Act. Among the myriad provisions in the bill is a portion authorizing the transfer of 100,000 surplus 1911 pistols to the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) for sale to qualified U.S. citizens.

The NDAA is required every year as part of the budgeting and allocation process for the U.S. military. The President had earlier vetoed a previous version of the bill, but today signed a revised version presented to him by Congress. Under the new law the CMP will receive up to 100,000 1911 pistols declared surplus by the U.S. military and is authorized to sell up to 10,000 of these pistols a year. The specific pistols have been retained in “Serviceable” condition as reserve stock. Until now federal law only authorized the MCP to sell surplus .30 and .22 caliber military rifles, parts, and ammunition to qualified U.S. citizens “for marksmanship.”

The CMP is best known for the sale of M1 Garand rifles but offers other rifles and ammunition on a “as-available” basis. The CMP is also involved in marksmanship training and competition programs. The exact timeline of the pistol transfer and CMP sales is not yet known. Earlier, CMP Chief Operating Officer Mark Johnson said the CMP would meet with Army officials to develop the procedures for the transfer and could not offer any estimate on how long it would take before the pistols would be offered for sale.
 
He probably signed it because he thought CMP stood for the Communist Movement Project.

'Cause he sure as hell wouldn't have signed it if he knew that American gun owners would have ever seen them in the light of day.
 
Call me a skeptic... :rolleyes: Maybe they figure they will have a nice tidy list of recipients when it comes time to confiscate them? o_O Nearby lakes will be overflowing with guns that fell off when the boat capsized! :eek: ;)

In related news, my 12yo son, my uncle and his son (my cousin) and I had a nice little outing about a week ago. One of the featured guns was a "property of US Gov't" model of 1911(A1) probably bought by my uncle's brother (my namesake, long deceased) in the 50's as war "surplus" and I would be willing to bet he got it IN THE MAIL! :) My son fired the 1911 and a G30 that was in the rotation skillfully on target with NO STOVEPIPES! :D Although heavier, he prefers the 1911--smart kid! ;)

Also in the mix were a previously discussed Winchester 1873, M1 Carbine, AR-15, P1917 Enfield sporter and S&W 622 to warm up for the .45s. An update on the 1873 is forthcoming... :) We had plenty of ammo and more guns to shoot but ran out of light... :(
 
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