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Question Of The Month. (April 2018) (Who would Win A US Civil War)

It's April of 2021. Division in the U.S. has been worsening by the year. The republicans and democrats declare war on each other.

How would such a civil way play out?

The Rs would control most of the military machinery, probably the deciding factor. Ds would revert mostly to sabotage and make it very hard to maneuver and refuel after massive damage to infrastructure. Battles would probably become localized. The map would be redrawn by natural boundaries of terrain, water, natural resources with rubber-band borders for years. Rs would control most area. Ds would have enclaves taken by force or treaty.

How long would it last?

4 years 3 months and 7 days minimum. Max about 15 years 10 months and 22 days.

Who would win?

Both sides would win some controlled territory and some areas will be disputed forever.

What would become of you?

Most likely I'll die of old age, but I'd do my best to end my days as a double agent or spy or assassin working against the Ds. Firearms or aircraft will be involved.

I'm looking forward to it.

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Communes would be set up. People with varying skills that they can offer to one another. I might not be able to do some things needed, but can make up for it with other skills that could be of use.

The main thing is to think and be prepared for the what if when the time comes. Hopefully that time will never come.It's like needing a gun and not having one, or having one and never needing it.
 
Dare I say that some aspects of The Walking Dead and/or FTWD may apply. Like shortages of food, water, fuel, ammo and medicine. I do not believe there will be people walking around looking around for survivors to join up with. I do think there will be a lot of revenge killing... :sniper:
 
The younger generation is weak but they have the numbers they are also cowards they are afraid to show their face which gives them the sense of being powerful. Antifa attacks in numbers but if you put down the right people they fold like a cheap suit. If it's a shoot war the right will win as long as the military stays constitutional.
 
I just do not see this coming down to a shooting War ever, guys. The left cannot win a hot shooting war, and their only chance is to disarm everyone before it begins. We're not going to give them that chance ever!

The only thing they know about war and guns is what they've seen in the movies, which is about 95% wrong.

Hell most of them probably can't change a flat tire.

This is going to be a war of the minds and not of bullets. It's going to be a war of psychology and a war for intellectual and financial resources.

How I see it coming down is that everybody's money gets hacked electronically & we all end up on government welfare because now everyone without hard currency is technically broke.

If they can steal everyone's money, they can force everyone into such a society.
 
Not a call to civil war but a call for a peaceful split.

“When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another…” — The Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776
Divorce is hard, but it’s easier than cutting the brake lines on your wife’s car. It is long past time for an amicable divorce of the United States of America. There is simply no common ground with the Left anymore. We are now the couple screaming at each other all night, every night as the kids hide in their room.
We cannot come together, but we do not have to live like this. The history of the world is nations breaking up and redrawing their borders. If we want to avoid this political divide turning into a deadly one, we should do likewise.
Stop clinging to the past and acknowledge where we are as a country, not where you want us to be, not where things were when your grandpa was storming the beaches of Normandy. Where we truly are.
We are a nation hopelessly divided. We are more divided now than we have ever been in our history. And before you start screaming at me about the Civil War, keep in mind that bloody conflict was fought over one major issue. In those days, take ten families from New York and ten families from Alabama, put them all in a room, and you’d find they mostly had the same values (and bad accents).
Now, fast-forward to today and do that same thing. Those families have virtually nothing in common. We as a nation have polarized and separated from each other.
Anyone who thinks this is a radical idea has an extremely narrow view of history. If you don’t believe me, go try to book a plane ticket to Czechoslovakia, or look at a map of Europe from the year 1600, then look at one today. See any differences? Borders move. Countries split and change hands. They do this for a myriad of reasons. Ours would be a major cultural shift toward the left and half the country refusing to go along with tyranny.
I have been championing this idea for a while, and it appears others are catching on. Just last week, a group of lawmakers in South Carolina introduced a bill that would allow the state to secede if the federal government starts seizing guns.
Why would those lawmakers even be worried about such a thing? Because Democrats are saying it—and not just some hippie chick with armpit hair at a vegan rally. When a former justice of the Supreme Court of the United States calls for a repeal of the Second Amendment, we should take the Left seriously.
The GOP has many problems, but the Democratic Party has turned into something completely un-American. The United States was founded on two things: Judeo-Christian values and a limited federal government. The entire platform of modern Democrats stands completely opposite both of those.
This is the party that booed the very mention of the word “God” at their 2016 convention. This is the party whose candidates openly “joke” about killing anyone who won’t turn in his weapons. Their senators joke on national TV about killing the U.S. president, and the host responds by clapping like a seal.
The 1960s counter-culture liberal protestor who just wanted free weed and an end to the war in Vietnam has been replaced by a man who hunts down Steve Scalise and tries to kill him at baseball practice. The Left is not playing games. They are getting bolder, and they are getting more violent. They have no interest in rational compromises. Like all authoritarian ideologies, they want you to bow down before them or be destroyed for daring to resist.
If you believe in God and limited government, here are the entities that now proclaim their hatred of you in full view of the public: The Democratic Party, media, Hollywood, the public education system, and now even corporate America. The GOP may have the House, Senate, and presidency, but we have completely lost the culture war.
It does not have to be this way. There is a difficult, but ultimately peaceful path that ends with everyone getting most of what they want. We divide the nation in two. We can and will draw the map and argue over it a million different ways for a million different reasons, but draw it we must. I’ve got my own map, and I suspect the final draft would look similar.
People say both sides disagree on everything, but that is not entirely true. A mass shooting happens at a high school in Florida. Both sides do agree something should be done. People on the Right think we should increase school safety. People on the Left think we should restrict the gun rights of every American citizen, and they’ll try to destroy the career of anyone who disagrees.
Illegal immigrants are pouring across the border. The Right calls for increased border security. The Left offers them sanctuary cities and protection from federal enforcement.
Every issue plays out this same way, and people on the Right will only accept this kind of abuse for so long. Sooner or later, the left-wing rage mob will start coming for the careers (and lives) of any normal American who sees things differently.
This idea of breaking up the country may seem a bit outlandish now, but you won’t think so once real domestic unrest comes to your town. Our political disagreements have become a powder keg, one that already would have blown if conservatives had liberals’ emotional instability.
Nobody is expected to cheer for this split. Cheering is not a normal reaction when couples get a divorce. We cheer for old married people on their fiftieth wedding anniversary.
But life is imperfect. Life is hard. We both now agree that living under the other side’s value system is wholly unacceptable. The most peaceful solution we Americans can hope for now is to go our separate ways. So let us come together one last time and agree on one thing: Irreconcilable differences.
Jesse Kelly is a Marine Corps combat veteran, former congressional candidate in Arizona, and contributor to The Resurgent. Jesse currently resides in the Houston area with his wife and two sons.
 
Its tough to think about shooting at countrymen .......but , foreign and domestic . I know what side I am on, I seriously hope that extreme left society doesn't start no shit.....they already want everything . If they actually try to come for it , there will be a blood bath. The last one still holds the record for dead Americans. Imagine now......smokeless powder and all. If society goes sideways , lawless battling and survival .....I'll gladly hang anyone who comes at me or mine ......I would be as savage as possible, hope I make it through at least one mag change.
 
If people have any doubt about what is going on one only has to look at what is happening on our university campuses. Conservatives are not allowed to speak in many instances. It they are allowed there are riots on campus, and yet the administrations can't, or won't stop the riots. It's easier to just not allow the speaker to have their say. Professors can say and do anything as long as it complies with the left narrative without fear of repercussions.

Now this has moved down the ladder to include high schools and even middle schools and lower in some instances. We have an open resistance to our duly elected president, led by the media and the embedded liberals left over from the previous administration.

For the first time in history we have a past president openly opposing the newly elected president on the world stage. The chaos and turmoil being created every day by the left is deafening and distracting.

Our president goes about his business with a purpose in mind. To create jobs, let people keep more of what they make, and try to clean up the foreign policies that have festered for decades. He is not kicking the can down the road, but rather kicking ass.
 
This link is going to reinforce what you mentioned about schools meanstreak.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/2...-him-for-visiting-gun-range-with-his-dad.html

In a statement to The Daily Wire, Kashuv said he was called out of class at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School and told to see the security resource officer whom he identified as “Mr. Greenleaf." Multiple reports from around the time of the Feb. 14 shooting identify Kelvin Greenleaf as a “civilian security monitor” or a “security specialist” at the school.
First, they began berating my tweet, although neither of them had read it; then they began aggressively asking questions about who I went to the range with, whose gun we used, about my father, etc. They were incredibly condescending and rude,” Kashuv said.
At that point, Kashuv claims, a Broward County sheriff’s officer joined them, “and began asking me the same questions again.” Kashuv said the officers declined to let him record the interview, but told him he hadn’t done anything wrong.
“I asked why I was there,” Kashuv said. “One said, ‘Don’t get snappy with me, do you not remember what happened here a few months ago?’“ The teen also said that officers referred to him as “the pro-Second Amendment kid.”

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Anyone want to make a bet with me which students were complaining?
 
One would expect such actions in Russia, China, or Nazi Germany, not in America. I'd bet his every word and action was being recorded by the "authorities" for possible use against him at a later time. No parent with him, no attorney with him. What the hell ?
 
That's what I was thinking.

I wish it were me they were questioning rather than him.

I would've put on my big boy pants for that shit.
 
There's a big stink here because some Middle Eastern woman who was teaching at our local University called Barbara Bush a racist on the eve of her funeral and it elicited quite an outcry. She tried to hide behind her professorial tenure as an instructor of literature at csuf.

I mean this fat middle-aged cow literally got on the internet and posted (approximately) "boo hoo you can't fire me because I'm a professor and I have tenure and I make $100,000 a year."

The university did not fire her but there was so much backlash on social media that she has basically closed down her Twitter and fled the country.

The University people say her leave of absence was pre-planned. I think they are avoiding multimillion-dollar lawsuits by letting her get away with it, because all this woman has to do is Shout: female! minority! racist! lesbian! Hate speech! And this will turn into a 10 million dollar lawsuit.

Evidently she is a American born child of immigrants. Now she is back in the Middle East where she should stay. I hope her parents are suitably embarrassed by her behavior. They probably suffered greatly to get to this country, and I feel sorry for the way their daughter turned out.
 
This article at Townhall: "7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War" LINK, mirrors what I think about from time to time. This is worst case scenario type of shit... I may not totally agree with some of the points made in the article but I do agree with the last point quoted below...

"Gun Grabbing: Liberals have fallen in love with the idea of ignoring the 2nd Amendment and confiscating all firearms. The logistics of doing this in a nation with hundreds of millions of guns (many of which are off the books) when many police departments and tens of millions of Americans would not cooperate is seldom discussed. Another thing that seldom seems brought up is that large numbers of conservatives would see this as a prelude to the government’s use of force against the citizenry. When it is discussed on the Left, there seems to be an assumption that lone resisters might get into firefights with dozens of police or soldiers, as opposed to ganging up with other formerly law-abiding Americans to waylay gun confiscators, politicians and anti-gun activists at THEIR HOMES in guerrilla actions that would be silently applauded and supported by hundreds of millions of Americans concerned about their freedom. Confiscating guns is a dangerous and stupid idea that could in and of itself end our republic if a serious attempt were ever made to implement it."
 
This article at Townhall: "7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War" LINK, mirrors what I think about from time to time. This is worst case scenario type of shit... I may not totally agree with some of the points made in the article but I do agree with the last point quoted below...

"Gun Grabbing: Liberals have fallen in love with the idea of ignoring the 2nd Amendment and confiscating all firearms. The logistics of doing this in a nation with hundreds of millions of guns (many of which are off the books) when many police departments and tens of millions of Americans would not cooperate is seldom discussed. Another thing that seldom seems brought up is that large numbers of conservatives would see this as a prelude to the government’s use of force against the citizenry. When it is discussed on the Left, there seems to be an assumption that lone resisters might get into firefights with dozens of police or soldiers, as opposed to ganging up with other formerly law-abiding Americans to waylay gun confiscators, politicians and anti-gun activists at THEIR HOMES in guerrilla actions that would be silently applauded and supported by hundreds of millions of Americans concerned about their freedom. Confiscating guns is a dangerous and stupid idea that could in and of itself end our republic if a serious attempt were ever made to implement it."
One thing I have heard over and over from liberals when it is brought up that the 2nd Amendment provides citizens to fight a tyrannical government is that the US military is to strong to fight with rifles. They seem to actually think the military would turn on the citizenry and slaughter them. Some would but I think most would uphold their oath to defend the Constitution. The liberals, who never learn from history, also seem to forget the Vietnamese and Afghani's.
 
I do agree that it would be rather futile to try to fight the armed forces face to face. Close air support being the major factor there.

But you don't have to defeat the entire army.

You would do better swooping in and defeating those giving the unconstitutional orders in the first place. Then once back in control, military tribunals for the domestic traitors in a very public manner involving gallows and firing squads.

That's about all I'm going to say about that.
 
Here is another one I just saw. This topic is more mainstream than 10 years ago. It was written by John Hawkins on Townhall

I was interviewed by a mainstream media reporter yesterday. I thought he wanted to talk tech issues, but we actually spent almost the entire conversation discussing the feeling that many conservatives have that America has gone off the tracks and is headed toward dissolution or alternately, a civil war one day. Obviously, this would be a terrible thing and ironically, twenty years ago, it would have been laughable. Today, the joke isn’t so funny because we are a deeply unhealthy society with a dysfunctional government and for all our money, success and storied history, we seem to be on an increasingly dangerous trajectory.
1) A Post-Constitutional Era: Liberals don’t believe in the Constitution. Typically they deny this, but that’s exactly what a “living” Constitution means. You make it up as you go along. The Founders foresaw the instability and danger that would be created by this approach, which is why they wanted us to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Unfortunately, America has in many ways already become a post-constitutional democracy and we’re one liberal judge away from abandoning the Constitution altogether. Once we get to that point, America just becomes the representation of that old saying, “Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.” Of course people are not lambs and when large numbers of them believe they aren’t being treated fairly, they do have the option of getting away from the wolves.
2) Tribalism: The “you only have to listen to people you already agree with” nature of social media has dramatically ramped up the level of tribalism in the United States. The Right has gotten much more tribal since Donald Trump rose to prominence and the Left has taken tribalism into hyper-drive. Increasingly, liberals treat a range of opinion between Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton as legitimate while everyone else is viewed as a white supremacist Nazi primitive that must be driven down into the gutter for society to move forward. This makes any sort of dialogue or cooperation nearly impossible. When every issue is a zero sum war where one tribe must win or lose, a lot of people quite understandably ask, “What do we gain by staying allied to this other tribe?”
3) Federal Government Too Powerful: Federalism is a safety valve on the American pressure cooker. As long as people in San Francisco can, for the most part, live the way they want to live while the people in rural North Carolina can, for the most part, live the way they want to live, it’s much easier for everyone to get along. When people are unnecessarily forced to live under rules they find abhorrent because the federal government has become an octopus that has inserted its tentacles into every minute crevice of American life, it creates discontent on a wide scale. If most Americans wanted to live like people in San Francisco, they’d live in San Francisco.
4) Moral Decline: As Samuel Adams once noted, “A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.”
A large number of Americans HAVE LOST their principles, manners and virtue and it shows through from the sort of politicians they elect, to their rudeness online, to the sort of shallow hedonism and fame whoring they find appealing. Americans are increasingly becoming a soft and decadent people which is problematic because the challenges may change, but we can be certain that Americans will face future challenges every bit as difficult as the ones past generations had to tackle. This is frightening because if you look at the “principles, manners and virtue” of Americans today, they don’t seem capable of dealing with monumental events like the War of 1812, the Civil War, the Depression or World War II. Most people in their twenties probably couldn’t tell you why all those events were such challenges in the first place. When America faces a challenge bigger than we can handle because of ineffective politicians and our “amusing ourselves to death” population, there are no guarantees our republic will survive.
5) The Debt: America is a freight train heading toward a cliff, but because we’re not moving toward the edge at lightning speed, no one seems all that concerned. However, the fact of the matter is that a reckoning is coming. At some point, probably within the next decade or two, we will face a debt-driven economic collapse; borrowed money will stop flowing into the United States and Medicare/Social Security as we know it will fall apart because we will not have the money to pay it. If and when we get to that point, all bets are off because if regions of the country see an advantage to splitting off from the United States at that point, they will do it.
6) Lack Of A Shared Culture: There has never been a time when American culture was more fragmented than it is today. By that, I mean that there are legions of people with millions of fans or followers on the Internet that the vast majority of Americans have never heard of in their lives. We don’t have that shared love of anybody or for that matter, anything. Conservatives and liberals disagree on economics (capitalist/socialist), religion (friendly to Christianity/hostile to Christianity), the Constitution (support/believe in a living Constitution i.e. no Constitution), etc., on and on. The average conservative and the average liberal disagree on 95% of the issues and in the few limited cases where they do look at things the same, they won’t support a proposal by the other out of sheer tribalism. Over the long haul, there has be something more to hold a country together than, “We wear Nikes, like pop music and play golf.”
7) Gun Grabbing: Liberals have fallen in love with the idea of ignoring the 2nd Amendment and confiscating all firearms. The logistics of doing this in a nation with hundreds of millions of guns (many of which are off the books) when many police departments and tens of millions of Americans would not cooperate is seldom discussed. Another thing that seldom seems brought up is that large numbers of conservatives would see this as a prelude to the government’s use of force against the citizenry. When it is discussed on the Left, there seems to be an assumption that lone resisters might get into firefights with dozens of police or soldiers, as opposed to ganging up with other formerly law-abiding Americans to waylay gun confiscators, politicians and anti-gun activists at THEIR HOMES in guerrilla actions that would be silently applauded and supported by hundreds of millions of Americans concerned about their freedom. Confiscating guns is a dangerous and stupid idea that could in and of itself end our republic if a serious attempt were ever made to implement it.
 
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