Results of gun care product evaluation

[diyguy]

Its been 20 days since I started board #3 which is the indoor board with the (hotdog) fingerprint.

The first (and only) sample so far to exhibit corrosion has appeared. The rust is only in the fingerprint area. The sample plate is the one coated with Eezox.

For all the positive comments about Eezox, it has been a complete disappointment.

 

[diyguy]

Update on the two outdoors corrosion boards. Hornady One shot has finally failed on Board #2 Leaving Frog Lube and WD 40 Specialist but the Hornady product is still going strong on board #1.

 

[LAZY EYED SNIPER]

Wow.

All things considered that One Shot still had a good run. Anybody placing any bets on which one of the remaining two will outlast the other?

 

[Water Monkey]

I'm thinking since frog lube isn't petroleum based it will lose in the end. But for it being an all natural product this stuff is outlasting my expectations! lol I picked up another bottle

 

[oli700]

yeah, I never expected that from the FL......but I never expected any WD40 product to out do some of these modern choices out these days. I have never heard of the specialist until this test.
I really am not worried about rust though, I never really had the problem unless it was blatant neglect on my part. I am more into the lubricating property, that's why I tried the FL on my AR.....apparently I did something wrong in the PITA process because I had stoppages before BF CLP ever gave me fits.

 

[diyguy]

I am in the process of designing an experiment, process and device to do further lubricity evaluations on these products. The first evaluation was for the coefficient of “static” friction but I fear it was lacking (even though it was a reasonable side by side evaluation) so Im working on evaluating “dynamic” friction forces. The long holiday weekend should provide me with time to get this going.

Static coefficient of friction was pretty straight forward with the weighted sled and the addition of water to eventually break free the friction forces between the two metal plates but I am devising a constant motion evaluation so I can capture the friction forces between two metal plates that are continually moving to gauge lubricity of the products as well as wear over a greater duration than the static friction evaluation I have already conducted.

 

[oli700]

I liked the sled. The thing I am not clear on is if you are actually applying the Froglube using the process of heating and letting cool. in its "out of the bottle" form its slick.

After I run the AR I realized , if I have to get it hot , or warm to work right then that actually sucks in itself because there is a good chance at failure in the process of trying to "draw" the lube from the metal. To be honest it has a real crappyness to it when solidified after the heating. It feels slick but not fluid......if that makes since. Less fancy lube has an advantage in the first magazine because it is always in its lubricity state.

 

[dieselmudder]

Are you planning to try,to monitor heat buildup during the lubricity test?

 

[diyguy]

OIL700 yes I followed the mfgrs instructions for heating.
Dieselmudder I don’t have the ability to monitor heat build up. Mine is a very simple set of tools and gadgets. This will be a low speed and low pressure device. Im building the device as we speak. Folks may be disappointed but it will allow me to capture the dynamic coefficient of friction of all the products in as simple a means as possible. I don’t have a budget for devices and have to scratch together things from around the shop.

 

[oli700]

I'm sure it will be good enough for us simpletons

 

[LAZY EYED SNIPER]

Absolutely!

 

[dieselmudder]

okay, just for future reference infrared hand held thermometers are readily available and pretty cheap, compared to when they first came out. looking forward to your setup. ive been quite impressed with your work thus far. your evaluation single handedly converted me to FrogLube. thanks for all the effort you've put into it.

 

[diyguy]

Ive completed the device I assembled and plan to use to measure dynamic friction forces. There are some refinements I need to make but I think the concept is pretty straight forward.

Here is a video of the dynamic coefficient of friction device in action. Its clear I need to work on the consistency of the smoothness of the big saw blade. You can hear and see the variations in smoothness.

In the coming days I will evaluate the friction reducing properties of the products I have previously evaluated for lubricity and corrosion resistance.

 

[Benson X]

Amazing job diyguy!!! So much ingenuity going on here. I am really surprised by the WD40 Specialist above all...and kind of disappointed by Hoppe's (which has been the "go-to" for most everyone I know). FrogLube is amazing stuff, just 'spensive comparatively.

Have you heard of, or have plans to evaluate any Otis products (Bio CLP, O85, Otis DryLube)? They have garnered some critical praise in the last few years, and I am curious how they would compete against the others.

 

[Gunned down]

Only addition I could think of would be an amp clap on player would show that during process the motor was not showing wear by the last sample

 

[diyguy]

Rather than posting the day of the failure on the thumbprint portion of the indoor plates I have waited to lump the recent failures into a single post. Here they are. Again this is only in the thumb print area of the plate.

As for the outdoor boards. Board #2 has now had every product show corrosion at 29 days. Board #1 is at 30 days with the same remaining products still fighting off corrosion.

 

[diyguy]

Here is an update on the corrosion boards after 43 and 42 days outside.

The last three samples on board #1 are about to give up.

Board #2 samples are all finished. Every sample is showing corrosion.

The indoor samples (after 41 days) are showing more failures. (Only in the thumb print area)
Rust prevent, WD 40 regular), Militech1, Strike hold, Archoil, 3 In One iol, Kroil, Hoppe's MDL. Mil Poro 7 have now failed along with the others that had failed earlier.

 

[diyguy]

Here is an update on the corrosion boards after 43 and 42 days outside.

The last three samples on board #1 are about to give up.

Board #2 samples are all finished. Every sample is showing corrosion.

The indoor samples (after 41 days) are showing more failures. (Only in the thumb print area)
Rust prevent, WD 40 regular), Militech1, Strike hold, Archoil, 3 In One iol, Kroil, Hoppe's MDL. Mil Poro 7 have now failed along with the others that had failed earlier.

 

[diyguy]

As mentioned earlier I put together a device to capture the dynamic coefficient of friction for all the products I have previously evaluated (including a static friction evaluation)
Ive tabulated the results and they are similar to those of the static coefficient of friction evaluation.
Here is a video showing how the evaluation was conducted and how excess lube actually worsens or confounds our attempts to make metal slide easier against one another. The video will show that only in the absolute minimalist state do the gun lubes actually reduce the friction/drag forces.

All the products were run through the friction device and the chart below shows how each product performed in comparision to one another as well as dry steel (no lube at all)

 

[LAZY EYED SNIPER]

Thank you for the corrosion updates and the new dynamic friction results. That is some great information. We sincerely appreciate the effort you put in to share not only your results, but your process as well...