Virginia AG Kills Reciprocity with 25 States Today
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I scratched VA off my list when they elected that POS governor.
I have a non res ccw for VA because my sister lives there.
I have a non res ccw for VA because my sister lives there.
I live mere minutes from the TN/VA border and we would drive to Kingsport/Bristol area regularly and do some of our major shopping (school clothes, some Christmas shopping, etc), but this decision will change that.
I have nothing against the police in VA, but if I can't protect myself and family, then they apparently don't want my money. I won't disarm for some apple butter po'dunk attorney general with complex issues.
I spent more time on the Tennessee side of Kingsport/Bristol border anyway and they still allow me to protect myself and family while I'm traveling and spending money, so I guess that's the side of town (border) I'll spend my money at when I go over there.
I have nothing against the police in VA, but if I can't protect myself and family, then they apparently don't want my money. I won't disarm for some apple butter po'dunk attorney general with complex issues.
I spent more time on the Tennessee side of Kingsport/Bristol border anyway and they still allow me to protect myself and family while I'm traveling and spending money, so I guess that's the side of town (border) I'll spend my money at when I go over there.
TJ Johnson
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Seriously, W T F!?!?!?
Some one drank deeply on the Kool-aid
Some one drank deeply on the Kool-aid
It's Terry McDouche's way of getting back at the state assembly and state senate that refuse to push his gun control agenda.
We don't need to drive to VA anymore since the wife's parent are now gone. Glad I don't have to decide to follow the law or protect myself. Hated their "no radar detector" laws as well...
They lost huge battles this year during elections. Democrats don't have a leg to stand on. So this is done in spite.
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VA is due for a Republican AG......until then, I will carry as I travel through VA to destinations South when need be...my right IS the 2nd Amendment !!
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RICHMOND — Attorney General Mark R. Herring (D) plans to announce Tuesday that Virginia will no longer recognize concealed carry handgun permits from 25 states that have reciprocity agreements with the commonwealth.
The move also means Virginians with a history of stalking, drug dealing or inpatient mental-health treatment cannot obtain a permit in a state with comparatively lax laws and carry a handgun legally at home.
Herring said severing the out-of-state agreements can prevent people who may be dangerous or irresponsible from carrying a concealed weapon.
“To me, this is a commonsense step that can help make Virginians and our law enforcement officers safer by ensuring that Virginia’s laws on who can and cannot carry a concealed handgun are applied evenly, consistently, and fairly,” he said in a statement provided to The Washington Post.
“Our General Assembly has already identified who can and cannot conceal handguns in Virginia, and we cannot have that decision undermined by recognizing permits from other states with more permissive standards.”
Herring’s action could intensify a heated debate in the wake of rampant gun violence and cements his position as a liberal defender of gun control as he seeks a second term. A former state senator, Herring has raised the ire of conservatives for supporting same-sex marriage, abortion rights and immigration reform.
Del. Robert B. Bell III (R-Albemarle), a former state prosecutor, is the only Republican challenging him.
Gun rights advocates have criticized Gov. Terry McAuliffe, Herring and other Democrats for insisting on stronger gun laws after mass shootings in which the assailants obtained their weapons legally or suffered from mental illness. In October, McAuliffe banned firearms in state buildings, earning a rebuke from the National Rifle Association.
[NRA challenges McAuliffe on latest gun control effort]
This year, Herring’s office began a review of reciprocity agreements Virginia has with 30 other states. Attorneys discovered that 25 of those states had concealed handgun permit regulations that were weaker than Virginia’s.
The State Police superintendent accepted Herring’s recommendation to sever agreements with those states, effective Feb. 1, according to Herring’s office.
The states are: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
Agreements will remain with West Virginia, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas and Utah.
Virginia law lists 20 conditions that would disqualify a person from being issued a concealed carry handgun permit. They include anyone in the United States illegally, subject to a protection from abuse order, or convicted of various criminal charges from drunken driving to assault and battery.
Visitors to Virginia can still obtain a non-resident permit if they meet a separate set of standards set forth in the law.
RICHMOND — Attorney General Mark R. Herring (D) plans to announce Tuesday that Virginia will no longer recognize concealed carry handgun permits from 25 states that have reciprocity agreements with the commonwealth.
The move also means Virginians with a history of stalking, drug dealing or inpatient mental-health treatment cannot obtain a permit in a state with comparatively lax laws and carry a handgun legally at home.
Herring said severing the out-of-state agreements can prevent people who may be dangerous or irresponsible from carrying a concealed weapon.
“To me, this is a commonsense step that can help make Virginians and our law enforcement officers safer by ensuring that Virginia’s laws on who can and cannot carry a concealed handgun are applied evenly, consistently, and fairly,” he said in a statement provided to The Washington Post.
“Our General Assembly has already identified who can and cannot conceal handguns in Virginia, and we cannot have that decision undermined by recognizing permits from other states with more permissive standards.”
Herring’s action could intensify a heated debate in the wake of rampant gun violence and cements his position as a liberal defender of gun control as he seeks a second term. A former state senator, Herring has raised the ire of conservatives for supporting same-sex marriage, abortion rights and immigration reform.
Del. Robert B. Bell III (R-Albemarle), a former state prosecutor, is the only Republican challenging him.
Gun rights advocates have criticized Gov. Terry McAuliffe, Herring and other Democrats for insisting on stronger gun laws after mass shootings in which the assailants obtained their weapons legally or suffered from mental illness. In October, McAuliffe banned firearms in state buildings, earning a rebuke from the National Rifle Association.
[NRA challenges McAuliffe on latest gun control effort]
This year, Herring’s office began a review of reciprocity agreements Virginia has with 30 other states. Attorneys discovered that 25 of those states had concealed handgun permit regulations that were weaker than Virginia’s.
The State Police superintendent accepted Herring’s recommendation to sever agreements with those states, effective Feb. 1, according to Herring’s office.
The states are: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
Agreements will remain with West Virginia, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas and Utah.
Virginia law lists 20 conditions that would disqualify a person from being issued a concealed carry handgun permit. They include anyone in the United States illegally, subject to a protection from abuse order, or convicted of various criminal charges from drunken driving to assault and battery.
Visitors to Virginia can still obtain a non-resident permit if they meet a separate set of standards set forth in the law.
Many people in Virginia weren't born there. The southwest part and the eastern part are entirely different regions. Stark different actually.
Dumbasses and libtards have been surrounding DC from all corners of the globe for a while now. The Folks on this end of the state are mostly just like you and me.
Dumbasses and libtards have been surrounding DC from all corners of the globe for a while now. The Folks on this end of the state are mostly just like you and me.
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"Guys,
I'm ashamed of what our attorney general has done. I wrote an angry letter to his office this morning because I'm so incensed. In the meantime, I wanted to post a letter from the president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL), Philip Van Cleave. Proud and patriotic Virginians are going to fix this silliness:
1) THOUGHTS FOR OUR FELLOW OUT-OF-STATE CHP HOLDERS
First, I d like to offer an apology to our fellow CHP holders from the 25 states that are about to lose recognition on February 1st.
All of you who have visited Virginia over the years have been exemplary and have not caused any problems within the Commonwealth.
This is NOT about you or anything you have done that was wrong.
It s about our Governor, Terry McAuliffe, and our Attorney General, Mark Herring, who were both elected by a very small margin, and are a great embarrassment to Virginians. Neither of these individuals are reflective of the attitudes toward liberty and freedom and the values that we cherish here in Virginia. In fact, both have been referred to as lawless by some of our own General Assembly members, many of who are going to work to fix the situation we find ourselves in.
Here in the Old Dominion, the anger of gun owners at what our Attorney General has done is palpable, and I cannot remember anything to match it. Herring and McAuliffe have endangered your lives when you travel here and our lives when we travel outside of Virginia. SIX MILLION CHP holders in half the country are affected!
And all this treachery was done as political payback to Michael Bloomberg for campaign contributions.
VCDL will be working to fix this problem from various angles and we will be trying to do so as expeditiously as possible. We want Virginia to be a welcoming state again for our fellow gun owners. We ultimately want to recognize ALL out-of-state permits.
Sadly, we understand if you decide you can t visit us until we can honor your permits. I d be a hypocrite if I said I would do so if the tables were turned.
HOWEVER, you do have a few options if you still want to come visit us:
1. Open carry is legal in Virginia - no permit required and you can open carry in most places in Virginia. Our police don't bat an eye. VCDL's website has a list of the places that you cannot carry. And, here s another good reason to open carry: McAuliffe and Herring HATE open carry. But, hey, it was THEIR brilliant idea to prohibit concealed carry, so they will have no choice but to get used to a whole lot more people open carrying in Virginia! ;-)
2. You can have a LOADED handgun in a CLOSED, but not necessarily locked, compartment or container in a vehicle. That includes a glovebox, console, and trunk as long as the compartment or container has some kind of latch. Optionally the loaded handgun can be in plain sight, on the seat or on the dashboard. Again, if concealed it MUST be in a compartment or container and nowhere else. Upon exiting the vehicle, the loaded handgun can be holstered and carried in plain view or you can unload the gun and put it in a carrying case.
3. You can get a Utah non-resident concealed handgun permit or you can get a Virginia non-resident concealed handgun permit. For the money and the fact that Virginia's permit has now been degraded by the Attorney General, I'd go for the Utah permit.
Whatever you do, please don't judge our great Commonwealth based on our current Governor and Attorney General.
2) WHAT CAN BE DONE?
VCDL is working to fix "Herring's Folly" from several angles.
a) A bill on VCDL s behalf has been introduced by Delegate Lee Ware and will be considered by the General Assembly, which convenes on January 14th (Lobby Day is on the 18th, BTW). This bill will change Virginia law to honor the CHPs from ALL states! Expect a matching bill to come from the Senate.
Yes, McAuliffe will probably veto it, but with your help, we will work to get as large a majority as possible to pass it. More on this in future legislative updates in January.
In the meantime, here is a link to the bill:
Bill Tracking - 2016 session > Legislation
b) The General Assembly's Power of the Purse can be used in different ways to help with this battle
c) We can possibly use the courts to override Herring and McAuliffe's actions
d) There is a petition you can sign. Yes, Herring will ignore it, but it will make a great PR item, when I say something like, X thousand of people signed a petition against Herring s actions. 7,283 have signed it so far and you guys are just learning about it! Here is the link:
http://tinyurl.com/pajlh9x
d) Since Herring is making our lives miserable, we can return the favor. More on this next week. Oh, and Herring is going to run for Attorney General again in 2017. I ll bet he'll be surprised at just how good our memories can be!
3) DON T FORGET TO KEEP PUSHING PEOPLE YOU KNOW TO COMMENT ON MCAULIFFE S STATE-AGENCY BAN
As of 8 PM on December 23rd, 2,818 comments have been posted. All but a handful, if that many, are against McAuliffe's gun ban!
That's nice, but we can do better. Get this link into the hands of others you know and get them to leave a comments opposing the ban. If you haven t commented yet, now is a great time to do so. Click on the link and then click on Enter a comment to get started:
Virginia Regulatory Town Hall List Comments
Here s an article on McAuliffe s state-agency gun ban and VCDL:
VA ABC Goes Gun-Free Under McAuliffe, Privatization Resurrected as VCDL Fights | Bearing Drift
or
VA ABC Goes Gun-Free Under McAuliffe, Privatization Resurrected as VCDL Fights | Bearing Drift
4) DETAILS ON THE BUSES COMING TO LOBBY DAY WILL BE READY VERY SOON
The buses are now confirmed and I will let you know where the pickup points will be, the times, and how to make a reservation. Please make this the biggest Lobby Day VCDL has ever had!
5) MARK YOUR CALENDARS: VCDL MEETING IN RICHMOND AREA ON DECEMBER 29!
VCDL will be holding a long awaited membership meeting in the Richmond area. We will meet at the Glen Allen Library on Tuesday, December 29th at 7:00 p.m. The meeting room will be open to us at 6:30 p.m. for fellowship and the meeting will begin around 7:00.
We will be discussing strategy for Lobby Day and the implications of the recent "audit" by AG Mark Herring and the Executive Order #50 issued by Gov. McAuliffe.
We will adjourn at 8:30 and those who care to will go to the Nuevo Mexico restaurant for continued fellowship.
The meeting is open to all, regardless of your membership status. In fact, we encourage you to bring people who have never been to a VCDL meeting before.
Location:
Glen Allen Library
10501 Staples Mill Road
Glen Allen, VA 23060
Time:
7:00 pm - 8:30 pm
Continued Fellowship:
Nuevo Mexico Restaurante
10282 Staples Mill Road
Glen Allen, VA 23060
www.nuevomexicorestaurante.com
FINALLY - MERRY CHRISTMAS AND MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU!
"Guys,
I'm ashamed of what our attorney general has done. I wrote an angry letter to his office this morning because I'm so incensed. In the meantime, I wanted to post a letter from the president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL), Philip Van Cleave. Proud and patriotic Virginians are going to fix this silliness:
1) THOUGHTS FOR OUR FELLOW OUT-OF-STATE CHP HOLDERS
First, I d like to offer an apology to our fellow CHP holders from the 25 states that are about to lose recognition on February 1st.
All of you who have visited Virginia over the years have been exemplary and have not caused any problems within the Commonwealth.
This is NOT about you or anything you have done that was wrong.
It s about our Governor, Terry McAuliffe, and our Attorney General, Mark Herring, who were both elected by a very small margin, and are a great embarrassment to Virginians. Neither of these individuals are reflective of the attitudes toward liberty and freedom and the values that we cherish here in Virginia. In fact, both have been referred to as lawless by some of our own General Assembly members, many of who are going to work to fix the situation we find ourselves in.
Here in the Old Dominion, the anger of gun owners at what our Attorney General has done is palpable, and I cannot remember anything to match it. Herring and McAuliffe have endangered your lives when you travel here and our lives when we travel outside of Virginia. SIX MILLION CHP holders in half the country are affected!
And all this treachery was done as political payback to Michael Bloomberg for campaign contributions.
VCDL will be working to fix this problem from various angles and we will be trying to do so as expeditiously as possible. We want Virginia to be a welcoming state again for our fellow gun owners. We ultimately want to recognize ALL out-of-state permits.
Sadly, we understand if you decide you can t visit us until we can honor your permits. I d be a hypocrite if I said I would do so if the tables were turned.
HOWEVER, you do have a few options if you still want to come visit us:
1. Open carry is legal in Virginia - no permit required and you can open carry in most places in Virginia. Our police don't bat an eye. VCDL's website has a list of the places that you cannot carry. And, here s another good reason to open carry: McAuliffe and Herring HATE open carry. But, hey, it was THEIR brilliant idea to prohibit concealed carry, so they will have no choice but to get used to a whole lot more people open carrying in Virginia! ;-)
2. You can have a LOADED handgun in a CLOSED, but not necessarily locked, compartment or container in a vehicle. That includes a glovebox, console, and trunk as long as the compartment or container has some kind of latch. Optionally the loaded handgun can be in plain sight, on the seat or on the dashboard. Again, if concealed it MUST be in a compartment or container and nowhere else. Upon exiting the vehicle, the loaded handgun can be holstered and carried in plain view or you can unload the gun and put it in a carrying case.
3. You can get a Utah non-resident concealed handgun permit or you can get a Virginia non-resident concealed handgun permit. For the money and the fact that Virginia's permit has now been degraded by the Attorney General, I'd go for the Utah permit.
Whatever you do, please don't judge our great Commonwealth based on our current Governor and Attorney General.
2) WHAT CAN BE DONE?
VCDL is working to fix "Herring's Folly" from several angles.
a) A bill on VCDL s behalf has been introduced by Delegate Lee Ware and will be considered by the General Assembly, which convenes on January 14th (Lobby Day is on the 18th, BTW). This bill will change Virginia law to honor the CHPs from ALL states! Expect a matching bill to come from the Senate.
Yes, McAuliffe will probably veto it, but with your help, we will work to get as large a majority as possible to pass it. More on this in future legislative updates in January.
In the meantime, here is a link to the bill:
Bill Tracking - 2016 session > Legislation
b) The General Assembly's Power of the Purse can be used in different ways to help with this battle
c) We can possibly use the courts to override Herring and McAuliffe's actions
d) There is a petition you can sign. Yes, Herring will ignore it, but it will make a great PR item, when I say something like, X thousand of people signed a petition against Herring s actions. 7,283 have signed it so far and you guys are just learning about it! Here is the link:
http://tinyurl.com/pajlh9x
d) Since Herring is making our lives miserable, we can return the favor. More on this next week. Oh, and Herring is going to run for Attorney General again in 2017. I ll bet he'll be surprised at just how good our memories can be!
3) DON T FORGET TO KEEP PUSHING PEOPLE YOU KNOW TO COMMENT ON MCAULIFFE S STATE-AGENCY BAN
As of 8 PM on December 23rd, 2,818 comments have been posted. All but a handful, if that many, are against McAuliffe's gun ban!
That's nice, but we can do better. Get this link into the hands of others you know and get them to leave a comments opposing the ban. If you haven t commented yet, now is a great time to do so. Click on the link and then click on Enter a comment to get started:
Virginia Regulatory Town Hall List Comments
Here s an article on McAuliffe s state-agency gun ban and VCDL:
VA ABC Goes Gun-Free Under McAuliffe, Privatization Resurrected as VCDL Fights | Bearing Drift
or
VA ABC Goes Gun-Free Under McAuliffe, Privatization Resurrected as VCDL Fights | Bearing Drift
4) DETAILS ON THE BUSES COMING TO LOBBY DAY WILL BE READY VERY SOON
The buses are now confirmed and I will let you know where the pickup points will be, the times, and how to make a reservation. Please make this the biggest Lobby Day VCDL has ever had!
5) MARK YOUR CALENDARS: VCDL MEETING IN RICHMOND AREA ON DECEMBER 29!
VCDL will be holding a long awaited membership meeting in the Richmond area. We will meet at the Glen Allen Library on Tuesday, December 29th at 7:00 p.m. The meeting room will be open to us at 6:30 p.m. for fellowship and the meeting will begin around 7:00.
We will be discussing strategy for Lobby Day and the implications of the recent "audit" by AG Mark Herring and the Executive Order #50 issued by Gov. McAuliffe.
We will adjourn at 8:30 and those who care to will go to the Nuevo Mexico restaurant for continued fellowship.
The meeting is open to all, regardless of your membership status. In fact, we encourage you to bring people who have never been to a VCDL meeting before.
Location:
Glen Allen Library
10501 Staples Mill Road
Glen Allen, VA 23060
Time:
7:00 pm - 8:30 pm
Continued Fellowship:
Nuevo Mexico Restaurante
10282 Staples Mill Road
Glen Allen, VA 23060
www.nuevomexicorestaurante.com
FINALLY - MERRY CHRISTMAS AND MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU!
The eastern establishment has long been more about the preservation of wealth and control of power than they have been about preserving the ideals of the Founders. Colleges like Yale, Harvard and Princeton regularly churn out the next generation of blue bloods. I don't think they care which party is in power as long as they do the bidding of Wall Street. I think that since he end of WW2 the Constitution has meant less and less to these people. I also think they are many of the people Eisenhower referred to when he mentioned the military industrial complex.
The VA legislature is planning to introduce legislation to undo what the governor has done with reciprocity. They are also going to try and remove the governors armed security detail.
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Nothing gets someones attention like effing with their guns....oh wait......
Hopefully they can push something through.
Ironic how all these "leaders" that are anti gun wouldn't leave the house without their own gun or security detail. Once again, it never about the gun, it's about the control.