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Problems with feeding

optimusprime

Copper BB
Hi all. I am a new Mossberg owner. I have a 500 and so far love it. After I took it out shooting the first time and cleaned it, it has been having trouble feeding. It feeds about 50% of the cartridges. I found that the problem is during the feed cycle, when the action is opened and the spent shell is ejected, the elevator slides right past the cartridge stop and the new shell simply stays put. Everything is in correctly as far as I can tell but about half the time the stop doesn't move out of the way when the action bar moves back. Has anyone encountered this? Everything is in perfect shape. The only thing I have done is attached a tac-star saddle to it. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.
 
optimusprime said:
Hi all. I am a new Mossberg owner. I have a 500 and so far love it. After I took it out shooting the first time and cleaned it, it has been having trouble feeding. It feeds about 50% of the cartridges. I found that the problem is during the feed cycle, when the action is opened and the spent shell is ejected, the elevator slides right past the cartridge stop and the new shell simply stays put. Everything is in correctly as far as I can tell but about half the time the stop doesn't move out of the way when the action bar moves back. Has anyone encountered this? Everything is in perfect shape. The only thing I have done is attached a tac-star saddle to it. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.

welcome from NY and congrats on your new mossy.
from what you are saying you took it out first time shooting right out of the box. came home cleaned it and started having problems. if this is correct i would say something didn't go back exactly right.
tear it down again,give it a good cleaning and see what happens. sometimes it's the small things we overlook. :)
keep us posted.
 
Everything is back in its correct place, 100%. For some reason though it seems that the stop doesn't want to fold in towards the receiver half the time.
 
this might explain tuning up the cartridge stop.
C&P


On the Mossberg 500 series guns the stop is on the inside left panel of the receiver and the interruptor is on the right side internal panel. They are held in place by the trigger housing and are easily removed (or fall out) when the housing is removed from the receiver .

The cartridge stop is actuated in and out by a small tab protruding upward near the front of the stop (just back from the front curve) as it interacts with the left slide action bar . (tappered ramps meet during the feed cycle and pull the stop to the left releasing the shell from the magazine. When the bolt is forward, the shell stop is allowed to be at rest and hold the shell head to prevent shells from coming out of the magazine tube.

The cartridge interruptor is actuated up and down on it's pivot with its interaction with the bolt slide. The front of this interruptor moves downward during the feed cycle to prevent the second shell in the magazine from coming out . (double feeding). When the bolt is forward the head of the interuptor is held out of the path of the shell head in the magazine allowing it to push up against the shell stop where it is held in place. (read above)

The most frequent adjustment needed in this sytem is with the cartridge stop. If not adjusted properly it will allow the shell head to pass out of the magazine at the incorrect time, or it will hold the shell into the magazine when it is suppose to release it into the action. Since there is some variation allowed in the diameter of the shell base in catridge manufacturing there are times that changing brands, or lots ,of shells can correct feed problems. A much better way however is to correctly adjust the stop so that it will reliably feed all brands having some tolerance built into the gun by adjustment.

To adjust the shell stop you should first observe its range of movement during operation. You can use dummy rounds, feeding them with the gun held upside down to observe how the end of the stop mates with the base of the shell. With the bolt forward there should be sufficeint engagement to hold the shells into the magazine.(even when wiggled slightly by hand the shell head should not jump past the tip of the stop).

If this is not the case, the front half of the stop can be adjusted (bent) to increase the engagement. Do this by removing the stop from the gun , and clamp the rear half in a vise, then bend the front in the direction of the curve in the front tip of the stop. Do not overadjust, it takes only a small amount to make a big difference. If overadjusted the ramp ingagement of the stop and its actuator ramp on the action slide bar will not mate properly. This can cause malfunctions and can damage the tips of the ramps.

If the shell stop is holding the shell in the magazine with good engagement, but will not release them during the feed cycle, then you must adjust the tip of the stop by removing just enough material from it to give clearance for the shell head to pass while the stop is pulled out of the way. Making sure that you have proper engagement of the ramps to provide the full movement of the the stops tip out of the way is important before you remove material from the tip. Again, this doesn't generaly take a lot of adjustment so remove only a small amount of material at a time using a file or dremel tool.

If you study the operation well before adjusting you should be able to tune this stop to the middle of it's proper travel and take away the possiblity of small variations in the diameter of the shells base causing a problem.

With the shell stop working properly there is seldom a problem with the interruptor. The tip of the interuptor has a less critical range of motion and is controled well by the pivot method. What the interruptor does is swing into position during the feed cycle before the first shell clears the magazine. By being in a position in front of the magazine opening at this time it prevents the second shell from being released during the action cycle. If it does not hold the second round from coming out of the magazine the result is a double feed jam. If it does not allow the first shell in the magazine past it to rest onto the shell stop, you will have complete failure to feed out of the magazine. Adjustments can be made to the tip of this stop by bending it in the direction needed to prevent the problems mentioned - it's just that this is a seldom seen problem.
 
Optimus, were you able to resolve this issue?

I'm having the EXACT same problem with my new 500. At first I thought it was just some snap caps not feeding, but when I took it to the range for the first time, it refused most of the ammo, like you said. I was shooting #8 bird and #1 shot, and it misfed greater than 50% of the time.

On mine, it looks like the action slide bar is moving just a hair too far back, so the notch that the cartridge stop is supposed to retreat into is past where it's supposed to be, keeping the stop from moving.

I really hate to think I have to remove metal from a brand new weapon!

Would Mossy support be of any help?

Thanks all!
 
I actually sent my Mossy in to get the stock hole redrilled. The stock I was using ended up stripping out most of the entire stock bolt hole. The shaving off metal idea won't do anything for my problem because half the time, the stop DOES retreat to it's designated detent. I'll give the guy at Mossberg a try. Keep me tuned in to what they say if you don't mind.
 
But that's what keeps us as a forum busy. :lol:
 
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