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Is Trump A 2A Supporter?

Rossignol said:
You ask if Trump or his sons shoot;

Trump himself has a carry permit in New York, I believe his sons do as well.
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Trumps sons both carry for sure. Not sure about him.

His boys are both big on hunting as well.

Eric is a member of the Cos Cob Rifle and Revolver club in Connecticut. That is where I met him.
 
I believe now would probably be the perfect time to ask that this gets back on topic.

The issue of abortions are too much of a hot button topic for many, and entirely unrelated to whether anyone thinks trump supports the 2nd amendment.
 
(I'm sorry buddy. I'm a total heathen. Just ask my mom. :rolleyes: )

But Trump?

Trump will tell what he thinks "his" people want to hear.

Whatever people are in earshot at the time, in many cases, as it has become evident.

Don't expect any consistency, because the man's mouth isn't ruled by anything more substantial than his desire for money and glory.
 
Right now, during the primaries and caucuses, is probably not the best time for Trump to be specific about his ideas and policies. Gives the opposition too much time to come up with counter attacks. Right now is about keeping your head above water and make it to the nomination. We KNOW where the Left is coming from and where they are headed...and that is not good for any of us or the U.S. If he gets the nod then I will expect him to come out with some clearly defined policies.

Trump comes from a 2A supporting family. He doesn't embrace firearms and hunting as much as his father or his sons but I believe that he is pro-2A. One doesn't have to carry or actively use firearms to be pro-2A (my opinion) but it does help. Look at the Giffords. Prior to her being shot both her and her husband were active supporters. Now, they are supports in words alone but still shoot from time to time. I wouldn't trust either one of them now.

If Trump has a CCW and carries that is a big plus. He has an armed security detail just as the rest of the big money makers do...it is good sense to do so. I'd be curious if the SS will allow him and his sons to continue to carry if he gets elected.
 
It dawned on me that Trumps official 2A position on guns would be a beneficial addition to this thread:

PROTECTING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Donald J. Trump on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
The Second Amendment to our Constitution is clear. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed upon. Period.
The Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right that belongs to all law-abiding Americans. The Constitution doesn’t create that right – it ensures that the government can’t take it away. Our Founding Fathers knew, and our Supreme Court has upheld, that the Second Amendment’s purpose is to guarantee our right to defend ourselves and our families. This is about self-defense, plain and simple.
It’s been said that the Second Amendment is America’s first freedom. That’s because the Right to Keep and Bear Arms protects all our other rights. We are the only country in the world that has a Second Amendment. Protecting that freedom is imperative. Here’s how we will do that:
Enforce The Laws On The Books
We need to get serious about prosecuting violent criminals. The Obama administration’s record on that is abysmal. Violent crime in cities like Baltimore, Chicago and many others is out of control. Drug dealers and gang members are given a slap on the wrist and turned loose on the street. This needs to stop.
Several years ago there was a tremendous program in Richmond, Virginia called Project Exile. It said that if a violent felon uses a gun to commit a crime, you will be prosecuted in federal court and go to prison for five years – no parole or early release. Obama’s former Attorney General, Eric Holder, called that a “cookie cutter” program. That’s ridiculous. I call that program a success. Murders committed with guns in Richmond decreased by over 60% when Project Exile was in place – in the first two years of the program alone, 350 armed felons were taken off the street.
Why does that matter to law-abiding gun owners? Because they’re the ones who anti-gun politicians and the media blame when criminals misuse guns. We need to bring back and expand programs like Project Exile and get gang members and drug dealers off the street. When we do, crime will go down and our cities and communities will be safer places to live.
Here’s another important way to fight crime – empower law-abiding gun owners to defend themselves. Law enforcement is great, they do a tremendous job, but they can’t be everywhere all of the time. Our personal protection is ultimately up to us. That’s why I’m a gun owner, that’s why I have a concealed carry permit, and that’s why tens of millions of Americans have concealed carry permits as well. It’s just common sense. To make America great again, we’re going to go after criminals and put the law back on the side of the law-abiding.
Fix Our Broken Mental Health System
Let’s be clear about this. Our mental health system is broken. It needs to be fixed. Too many politicians have ignored this problem for too long.
All of the tragic mass murders that occurred in the past several years have something in common – there were red flags that were ignored. We can’t allow that to continue. We need to expand treatment programs, because most people with mental health problems aren’t violent, they just need help. But for those who are violent, a danger to themselves or others, we need to get them off the street before they can terrorize our communities. This is just common sense.
And why does this matter to law-abiding gun owners? Once again, because they get blamed by anti-gun politicians, gun control groups and the media for the acts of deranged madmen. When one of these tragedies occurs, we can count on two things: one, that opponents of gun rights will immediately exploit it to push their political agenda; and two, that none of their so-called “solutions” would have prevented the tragedy in the first place. They’ve even admitted it.
We need real solutions to address real problems. Not grandstanding or political agendas.
Defend The Rights of Law-Abiding Gun Owners
GUN AND MAGAZINE BANS. Gun and magazine bans are a total failure. That’s been proven every time it’s been tried. Opponents of gun rights try to come up with scary sounding phrases like “assault weapons”, “military-style weapons” and “high capacity magazines” to confuse people. What they’re really talking about are popular semi-automatic rifles and standard magazines that are owned by tens of millions of Americans. Law-abiding people should be allowed to own the firearm of their choice. The government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own.
BACKGROUND CHECKS. There has been a national background check system in place since 1998. Every time a person buys a gun from a federally licensed gun dealer – which is the overwhelming majority of all gun purchases – they go through a federal background check. Study after study has shown that very few criminals are stupid enough to try and pass a background check – they get their guns from friends/family members or by stealing them. So the overwhelming majority of people who go through background checks are law-abiding gun owners. When the system was created, gun owners were promised that it would be instant, accurate and fair. Unfortunately, that isn’t the case today. Too many states are failing to put criminal and mental health records into the system – and it should go without saying that a system’s only going to be as effective as the records that are put into it. What we need to do is fix the system we have and make it work as intended. What we don’t need to do is expand a broken system.
NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY. The right of self-defense doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway. That’s why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states. A driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state. If we can do that for driving – which is a privilege, not a right – then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege.
MILITARY BASES AND RECRUITING CENTERS. Banning our military from carrying firearms on bases and at recruiting centers is ridiculous. We train our military how to safely and responsibly use firearms, but our current policies leave them defenseless. To make America great again, we need a strong military. To have a strong military, we need to allow them to defend themselves.
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That is a very good addition to the thread carbinemike.

But I also defer to the original post to people he has supported antigun politicians with tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars to get and keep them elected.

That is not how I support our Constitution.

That is not how anyone in their right mind supports the constitution. But I digress.
 
John A. said:
That is a very good addition to the thread carbinemike.

But I also defer to the original post to people he has supported antigun politicians with tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars to get and keep them elected.

That is not how I support our Constitution.

That is not how anyone in their right mind supports the constitution. But I digress.
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Yes, the donations noted in the original post is hanging out there too. I like his official stance but perhaps only time will tell his real position. My understanding of the Constitution and Bill of Rights hasn't wavered since I first learned about them. At minimum Trump seems to have flip flopped his position and at worst he is being dishonest...that sounds like a politician.
 
carbinemike said:
It dawned on me that Trumps official 2A position on guns would be a beneficial addition to this thread:
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John A. said:
. . .[In] the original post to people he has supported antigun politicians with tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars to get and keep them elected. . .
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He sure sounds good on paper. Now if I could only believe him when he speaks.
 
As the primaries heat up I expect all kinds of tidbits to get dropped for us to consume. I found this Trump item (below) today. I'm not sure how you can oppose gun control and support the 1994 AWB but that was his position in 2000:

This stands in contrast to what Trump used to advocate. In his book The America We Deserve, published in 2000, Trump took a much more moderate position, criticizing Democrats who argue for total gun confiscation but also Republicans who “walk the NRA line”

From the book:
It’s often argued that the American murder rate is high because guns are more available here than in other countries. Democrats want to confiscate all guns, which is a dumb idea because only the law-abiding citizens would turn in their guns and the bad guys would be the only ones left armed. The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions.

He concluded: “I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s internet technology we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record.”
 
I like the 72 hour thing a lot better than the 10 days we wait now.
 
CaddmannQ said:
I like the 72 hour thing a lot better than the 10 days we wait now.
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Not sure I can agree with that. What are the numbers of crimes, shootings, murders committed within 72 hours of someone buying a gun? The Kalamazoo shooter had weapons for years. The San Bernardino shooters got them from a friend over a year before that shooting happened. There is one case locally where a man, who had a restraining order against him, did buy a gun and within a few days killed his estranged wife BUT THE R.O. PAPERWORK HAD NEVER BEEN PROCESSED BY THE COURTS. 72 hours would not have made a difference. And, to be quite honest, if someone has the intent and desire to kill someone, 72 hours is but a minor obstacle.

I liken the 72 hour clause to the "must have medical ins" to ride a bike without a helmet. I live in a state where the only one who are required to wear a helmet are those under 21. Some states make the BS excuse that motorcycle riders cause everyone's premiums to go up because they don't have medical insurance. Therefore, they must wear a helmet or carry extra insurance. It is a BS reason and without any proof.

I understand the NRA's position...give them an inch and they will want to take the whole country. Give the antis and the Libtards an "in" like nationwide 72 hour waiting and it won't stop there. It never will and never does...just my 2 cents. :)
 
Clearly you folks don't wait 10 days in Ohio.

Waiting periods won't stop premeditated crimes of course.

But at what point does a hot-blooded crime become a cold-blooded one?
3 days? Is that the magic number?
If you have to wait 3 days it's a premeditated crime.
A guy who will wait 3 days to murder his wife would probably be willing to wait much longer.
 
I don't favor waits at all. Historically, waiting periods don't show to stop or prevent things that are already illegal. It's another thing the law abiding follow but that there will always be ways around. If someone is desperate and intends to commit murder, I find it unlikely they go through legal channels. I believe waiting periods create another market which is the illegal sale of firearms.

Here in Ohio, we wait about 15 minutes.
 
I wait as long as it takes to complete the transfer paperwork, only a few minutes.
 
Well now that Christie and Trump have endorsed each other, I can see the writing on the wall.

Those two will steamroll everybody.

Christie: ". . . in many of the places around this country where they have the toughest gun laws, they have the highest violent crime rates. Violence in America that's happened on our streets in our cities, like Chicago, up 19 percent, the murder rate. New York, up 11 percent. And you have some of the most aggressive gun laws in cities like that. So let's enforce the law."

I think I can can live with that. Maybe.I dunno....

It sounds like he'll be tough on crime, which is very appealing.
 
CaddmannQ said:
Clearly you folks don't wait 10 days in Ohio.

Waiting periods won't stop premeditated crimes of course.

But at what point does a hot-blooded crime become a cold-blooded one?
3 days? Is that the magic number?
If you have to wait 3 days it's a premeditated crime.
A guy who will wait 3 days to murder his wife would probably be willing to wait much longer.
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No, no wait time in Ohio unless the background check can't be done immediately. Then it is 3 days unless the dealer decides not to go thru with the sale. I have yet to wait on a purchase. Really no need. And there are plenty of sales going on via Craigslist, local ads, etc. that don't require a background check.

You are correct about someone with intent. And if they really do want to commit murder they will find a way whether it be via gun, knife, rope, chemicals or any number of things on hand. It just depends on how hellbent they are on taking action.
 
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