man I'm so tried of getting a new shotgun or rifle and the first thing I have to do is shorten or replace the stock.( have replacement stock comeing for my 590A1)come on to they think everybodys got 6 ft long arms or what.14 to 15 LOP is just to long for just about anyone.I'm 5ft 9 in and huskey build so it's not like I'm real short or any thing.just drives me nuts to pick up a well made firearm and try and shoulder it and it's like holy cow is that stock to long.god bless the the guys like ruger. when they made there scout rifle it comes with spacers to set it up to fit you.more manufactures should do that.how great get your gun with spacers so you have a choice of 12 in to 14 in lop.ok end of rant.it's raining and deary here today so I guess I'm just in a mood.crazywolf