I tell ya something that surprises me, the lack of people who are prepared to go on the offensive. If people stuck together, the shooter could have been overwhelmed.
Yes the College, Housatonic University IS A GUN FREE ZONE.
Did I ever attend class without a gun on me?
HELL NO!
Those well-meaning, but ultimately misguided people, students, school admins, etc. have no idea that the propaganda they bought hook, line, and sinker, supposed to bring about some violence-free utopia is precisely why they are targeted. To me they are victims, not so much of a crazy (trouble will find you one day, one way, no matter what), but of the brainwashing they mostly willingly embraced.I do know one thing. In that situation, at that given time, I would have been armed (without fear of prosecution) and would have be able to at least defend myself. It's crazy that more were not. But given the anti-gun sentiment driven into students by today's colleges it is not surprising.
That's exactly what disturbed people on a power trip and with a blood lust are counting on. Our lovely liberal politicians have paved the way for them by defanging the population and convincing everyone that lying down was the best course of action ("let the professionals handle it"). All mass shootings have something in common: the victims may have been unarmed, but they had numbers and they didn't even use that. With kids, it's understandable. Adults? Not really. Flight 93, anyone? Belgian train attack?I tell ya something that surprises me, the lack of people who are prepared to go on the offensive. If people stuck together, the shooter could have been overwhelmed. One guy charged him despite the odds. If others had followed, the shooter stupid face turd licker could have been taken down by an unarmed mob. Maybe some would have died anyway or at least have been wounded, but certainly more could have saved. As has been mentioned above, they're taught otherwise. To comply. To rules and attackers alike. It doesn't help when they're elected officials say things like attackers use guns because civilians have guns but if civilians put they're guns down then attackers would too.
I'd hope that if ever in that situation myself, we collectively would try to over take the attacker before it got to the point that people are lined up facing a wall. As a group, people need to move decisively and without hesitation. It's not a staring contest.
I've got Malloy on the phone and he says to turn yourself in to the State Police post haste!
You probably will cause some reactions, but so what? I see some of your points and still somewhat disagree with you, but it's not from a place of ignorance or fanaticism (patriotic, religious or gun-related) in my case, I can assure you. Having lived in Europe and worked in private security there, I can tell you that the rest of the world has no business judging Americans. Where I could get away, unarmed and untrained, with simply informing suspects that they had to follow me when making an arrest (!), here I have faced instant and violent fights almost every single time. I currently work armed, wear body armor and am probably more trained and alert than the average police officer in my old country (I was in the reserves there, nothing like here, by the way, so I have an idea). Some will label this paranoia, but I've been stabbed in the face and had a gun barrel stuck under my jaw so I know what I'm facing.Sorry if this offends, feels like I have hijacked this thread or in any way upset any of you, but this is how I see it, good luck, we all need it. Rant over.
You probably will cause some reactions, but so what? I see some of your points and still somewhat disagree with you, but it's not from a place of ignorance or fanaticism (patriotic, religious or gun-related) in my case, I can assure you. Having lived in Europe and worked in private security there, I can tell you that the rest of the world has no business judging Americans. Where I could get away, unarmed and untrained, with simply informing suspects that they had to follow me when making an arrest (!), here I have faced instant and violent fights almost every single time. I currently work armed, wear body armor and am probably more trained and alert than the average police officer in my old country (I was in the reserves there, nothing like here, by the way, so I have an idea). Some will label this paranoia, but I've been stabbed in the face and had a gun barrel stuck under my jaw si I know what I'm facing.
My point is that we don't love guns because we are nuts - you just don't take a fist and a stern voice to a gun fight. A Brit once approached me as I was standing post in a jewelry store, armed and wearing a couple of extra mags (like everyone else here) and asked, "Isn't this a little... excessive?" I simply replied that LA was the nation's capital for armed robberies, and this only seemed to puzzled the man further, but what did I care? He just couldn't get it when his country's police officers sometimes go unarmed.
We could debate endlessly the root causes of why we need guns. I'll just say that our level of personal freedom causes many to take things too far, which they couldn't in other societies, but liberalism is the main and real culprit as I see it. This is pointless and academic, however. The fact is, pragmatically: whoever is to blame, what am I to do to stay safe (and protect others - I'm a bodyguard) in that environment? And my response is: armed, prepared and willing. That's all we're talking about here.
So I understand that some of what we say, or how we say it, can shock people overseas. But you have to accept that it's another culture and other circumstances entirely. Banning guns is not only infeasible, it would be wrong as it would only facilitate an enslavement that is already in progress. So if there are guns, and whack jobs with guns... the solution is not to turn the other cheek or hope for the best, but to prepare for war. Some of the bravado you read on this forum and maybe others comes with the territory when men condition themselves to standing up to evil with violence. I'm probably less gung-ho than some here, but I've been here long enough to know not to judge too harshly men who are on my side of the fight.
That self-assured mutual destruction you mentioned will never occur, by the way. The states where guns are prevalent and permits readily available have the lowest crime rates! An armed society is a polite society. Criminals love helpless victims who don't fight back - they are mostly lazy and cowardly. Sure, a police state also buys you some security, but we do love our freedom here so we do what we have to do to protect it without expecting too much help from any government.
Finally, a brave small number can overcome overwhelming opposition. The crazies we're talking about pick children and unarmed victims - they are inept cowards. So taking them on is not the same as bum-rushing a SWAT team. Now I'm not saying that every case is as simple as 'grab a gun and start shooting' or 'just jump on the bastard', not at all. But we Americans tend... not to do as told, in case you didn't know!
While I can wholeheartedly agree with these ideals...I don't believe it will ever happen. I think most of us would rather live in peace, minding our own business and tend to our own lives and families.Two: It's them that is the problem not me attitude is bull shit, everyone has to buy in.
Five: As a world we need to get our act together and sooner rather than later, will it be easy? No way, can it happen? It has to, how can it happen? One step at a time.
Six: Yes it involves all of us, not just the other radicalized, rag head loony but all of us.
Seven: It is not gun control or anything like that, the problems are much deeper than that, much more fundamental.
Big question is "Who will blink first?"
USA is noted as one of the TOP charitable countries in the known world.I truly believe that Americans are a mostly peaceful and friendly bunch.