So.....Paul Ryan it is....

[carbinemike]

I also hate voting the lessor of two evils. But that is what we have before us.

Your right Mike. There is no viable third party candidate.

This is frustrating to think of our nation and having to pick the lesser of two evils. The country is very divided right now between two very different ideals, liberalism and conservatism. The far out fringes from both sides can take us away from the ideals of our Founder's. The far fringes of both sides seem to be calling the shots for the respective side. We also seem to be in decline regardless of which party is in charge although I think it's faster with the Democrats. Still, I can't bring myself to vote for Obama to hasten the decline. I'll vote for Romney/Ryan, cancel out a vote from Philly and have to hope for the best.

Maybe that's all we can do, hope for the best and be prepared for the worst.

 

[Mylastrook]

I'm tired of eating the Sh*t Sandwich the Republican high mucky mucks keep handing me and it gets more packed with Sh*t every four years. The only solution, or way to get them to moderate the amount of Sh*t, is to stop accepting Sh*t Sandwiches from them.

They've been telling me, that this election was the most important of my lifetime since Carter. For once in my life. I'm going to vote against the Christian Hezbollah right here at home, instead of falling in line to vote to protect the country against an Islamic Hezbollah, that might or might not attack us in the next four years. We're sinking under a rising tide of bad law, but I'm afraid the Evangelical Hezbollah makes sh*t law just about as fast as Obummer and the Communist's.

 

[carbinemike]

I'm tired of eating the Sh*t Sandwich the Republican high mucky mucks keep handing me

I don't want one of those sandwiches no matter who it's coming from but it seems like that's the only thing on the menu right now.

I wish we had a valid third party that espoused my beliefs but we don't and I don't ever expect to see one in my lifetime.

Thanks for posting Mylastrook, I like reading others thoughts.

 

[Mylastrook]

Both sides want to steer the discourse towards entitlement cuts, to hide the fact that neither can produce...Jobs.

Rmoney can't say it's about restoring the middle Class with Ryan on the ticket.

"There is no Middle Class in Galt's Gulch" should be a campaign slogan. There is no path back to a middle class though 25 hour a week, no benefits jobs at Staples and Sports Authority.

The Ayn Rand solution is what a society does when the Middle Class is dead and gone and it's time to "let it burn".

 

[MikeD]

Are you just trolling here or are you serious?

And what's Obama's plan? How will anything the current administration has done, is doing or will do help the situation? If I'm missing something please enlighten me because I'm not seeing it.

 

[Mylastrook]

The only way Rmoney/Ryan wins this thing, is if Syria gets stupid and tries to nerve Gas Tel Aviv and in return Israel turns Damascus and Tehran into smoking, radioactive holes in the desert and then it's debatable because Bush 43 squandered the Republican's "We protect the Country" image in two badly botched wars. (Rumsfeld's "You children's, children will probably be fighting this war, because we don't have the balls to win it and go home" was never really a viable long term strategy and it ignored the fact that we wouldn't be in power that long.)

The only way Rmoney/Ryan wins this. Is with a burning aircraft carrier listing in the Persian Gulf, Bloody shirts and a couple of mushroom clouds in the Middle east. Otherwise this election is over and Rmoney's toast.

 

[Mylastrook]

Are you just trolling here or are you serious?

And what's Obama's plan? How will anything the current administration has done, is doing or will do help the situation? If I'm missing something please enlighten me because I'm not seeing it.

Since when is not voting Republican trolling? I guess I missed the question on my Mossberg's 4473, that asked if I was planning to or had ever voted Democratic. Was it between the question about my citizenship and the question whether I was a felon?

Nope. I'm totally serious. The Republican's forfeited the right to my vote, when they drew all the wrong conclusions from the last couple of elections. If they want my vote back, they need to become less extremist. Not more extremist.

I hate the Communists. But if the choice is between the Communists and a party that just trotted out Michelle Bachman a couple of months ago...I'll have to go with the communists as being LESS dangerous.

Really though. The answer is Gridlock. I'm hoping for a Republican Congress and a Lame Duck Obama in office to pick a couple of more Supreme Court Justices to insulate the American Public from Theocracy and unregulated Ayn Rand capitalism.

Though I'm terribly out of fashion and vilified in this new age of bizarre Evangelical Christianity mixed with narcissistic Objectivism...You however, can think of me as a Teddy Roosevelt Republican, Progressive.

(Yes, that sound you just heard was Glen Beck's head exploding, because to hear him tell it, TR was a Leninist. not a Republican.

 

[MikeD]

Since when is not voting Republican trolling? I guess I missed the question on my Mossberg's 4473, that asked if I was planning to or had ever voted Democratic. Was it between the question about my citizenship and the question whether I was a felon?

I asked because your choice of words and style of speaking came across to me much like somone trying to get a rise out of people.

 

[Mylastrook]

"I asked because your choice of words and style of speaking came across to me much like somone trying to get a rise out of people."

Really? Is there an approved profile for that? "Choice of words and style of speaking" sounds kind of like a vague, half formed excuse for pushing the ban button because gun boards are supposed to be the exclusively preserves of Republicans for Rmoney.

I think the whole internet troll things been over done. It's little more than an excuse to ban anyone that doesn't toe the strict party line now days. You can Ban me Mike, but you can't force me to respect the joke of a Presidential ticket they've rolled out.

I blame a great deal of the delusional state Republicanism is experiencing, on moderator controlled conservative boards, that have weeded out all dissenting voices to the point of becoming hot house echo chambers. Where everyone has exactly the same opinion of the issues and they are shocked when the big wide world beyond their highly focused internet hive produces results they never imagined possible. The Dem's are just as guilty of this if not more so. It's a symptom of the internet interest group world we live in.

Some days I feel like that Knight in the movie Kingdom of Heaven, That's telling the king that if they send the Templar army out there, that Saladin is going to mop the floor with it, and all the Templar's jump up and start yelling 'Heresy!, Heresy! Heretic! Of course it doesn't change the fact that when they do take the army out there... Saladin destroys them and retakes Jerusalem.


"A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues."

- Theodore Roosevelt

 

[Mylastrook]

COLUMBUS, Ohio – Mitt Romney on Wednesday unequivocally disavowed more than $700 billion in Medicare spending cuts proposed by his new running mate, Rep. Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin.

In an interview on “CBS This Morning,” Romney was asked how he squared his running mate’s plan to cut spending on the popular healthcare program for the elderly with his criticism of President Obama for making similar reductions. "First of all, Congressman Ryan has joined my campaign, and his campaign is my campaign now, and we’re on exactly the same page,” Romney said in response to anchor Anthony Mason’s question. “And my campaign has made it very clear: The president’s cuts of $716 billion to Medicare – those cuts are to be restored if I become president and Paul Ryan becomes vice president.”

In his 59-point economic plan, Romney praised Ryan’s Medicare plan, saying it “makes important strides in the right direction by keeping the system solvent and introducing market-based dynamics.” Romney’s economic plan says the Republican presidential candidate would share Ryan’s objectives on Medicare, but that his own revamping of the program would differ in unspecified ways.

Flip-flop-Flip-flop-Flip-flop...Their both frick'in Etch-a-Sketch's. You shake Mittens and he doesn't remember anything after leaving the Massachusetts Governors Mansion and you Shake Ryan Munster and he can't remember Ayn Rand being an Atheist.

Ryan Munster does have a nice deer picture though. The deer taken with nice, non Fudd/College Girl threatening arrows, in order to appeal to all constituencies.

 

[SHOOTER13]

I like the choice of Ryan...but not sure the country is ready to bite that fiscal bullet just yet !

I thought he was going to pick Rubio to seal the Hispanic vote...

Either way...this country can't take or afford 4 more years of the current regime !!

 

[John A.]

My replies in red

"I asked because your choice of words and style of speaking came across to me much like somone trying to get a rise out of people."

Really? Is there an approved profile for that? "Choice of words and style of speaking" sounds kind of like a vague, half formed excuse for pushing the ban button because gun boards are supposed to be the exclusively preserves of Republicans for Rmoney.

Hardly. Not sure what gun forums you frequent, but there are a lot of people who do not like Mitt Romney.

Myself included.

But I like him better than Obama.

Or maybe I should say I dislike Romney less than I dislike Obama would be a more appropriate description.

I knew that Obama was trouble as soon as I heard that he was nominated.

Have you ever heard anything from his book "Dreams from my Father".

Have you not seriously looked into his past and upbringing and background in general?

Very disturbing stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... .0.0...1ac.

Good thing all his background papers were sealed. I still think most of what he says are lies, and most of what he does is unconstitutional and against the American people.

That's why I cannot and will not vote for him.

With as many screw ups that he has done in the last 4 years at the risk of losing his job, I could only imagine the mess that he would leave us in with no risk of losing the next election.

I don't even want to imagine it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlXK8o70Se0[/youtube]

I think the whole internet troll things been over done. It's little more than an excuse to ban anyone that doesn't toe the strict party line now days. You can Ban me Mike, but you can't force me to respect the joke of a Presidential ticket they've rolled out.

I don't remember him trying to force you to vote for anyone. Just merely stating his mind, just like you did.

My late Dad used to have a saying.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.


I blame a great deal of the delusional state Republicanism is experiencing, on moderator controlled conservative boards, that have weeded out all dissenting voices to the point of becoming hot house echo chambers. Where everyone has exactly the same opinion of the issues and they are shocked when the big wide world beyond their highly focused internet hive produces results they never imagined possible. The Dem's are just as guilty of this if not more so. It's a symptom of the internet interest group world we live in.

Again, I'm not a moderator here, but I do not blame internet forum moderators for the condition of this country. I blame that solely on the elected officials who write and pass and sign for the laws we must follow.

And I also blame a lot on special interest groups and lobbyists and payoffs and the media and even the Judicial Branch for a lot of the problems we face.

Heck, I blame it on just about everyone.

But I can't say with a straight face that I blame any of it on any mossberg forum moderator for the shape we're in.

If you really want to point fingers, in the end, it's still the elected officials who have the final say in the decisions/votes so they are responsible for their own actions.

So, I just cannot agree with your point that it's a small gun forum moderators fault. That statement made me chuckle out loud.

So the next time I hear someone say it's Bush's fault, I'm going to raise up out of my chair and scream "Awhh hell no ! It's all MikeD's fault."

MikeD, expect a phone call tonight from Georgey Worgey thanking you for finally sharing the blame and clearing his name because it's not all his fault no more.

 

[Tom396]

"...I think the whole internet troll things been over done. It's little more than an excuse to ban anyone that doesn't toe the strict party line now days. You can Ban me Mike, but you can't force me to respect the joke of a Presidential ticket they've rolled out..."

I don't think he'd ban you. Heck, we're pretty much able to ignore you ourselves, if we are so inclined.

Personally, I think folks sometimes need to be reminded what the alternative is, in case they are considering staying home on election day. Take care. Tom Worthington.

 

[carbinemike]

Mylastrook, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and to cast you vote how you see fit. I can say that you're the first I have come across that will vote for Obama to punish the republicans and hasten the downfall of the country. I know of someone that plans to vote for Obama because Romney drove on a vaction and had his dog on the roof of the car. To each their own.

You mention that the hardcore republicans are running the show. If that is so, how did McCain and Romney get the last two nominations? The last I looked they are both more center right and the more conservative base isn't in love with either. In fact Palin and now Ryan both seem to be picked to get the base to vote for the ticket.

Of all the republicans that you so dislike, I'll take any one of them over a communist or socialist.

I do agree that if future austerity measures are to great, we will have violence in the streets, just like they have had in Europe.

 

[Mylastrook]

JohnA

Have you ever heard anything from his book "Dreams from my Father".

Have you not seriously looked into his past and upbringing and background in general?

Very disturbing stuff.

Yes. I know who Barack Hussein Marshal Davis is. He's the illegitimate son of a Communist, soft core porn photographer and writer named Frank Marshal Davis. Who was not only banging Barack's mother but swinging with both Barack's white grand parents as well. I've read Frank Marshal's Davis's pornographic autobiography Sex Rebel Black. (Available for PDF download with a quick Google search.) The bad news is. He was most likely born in Hawaii. The good news is he probably lied about being a foreign student for Student aid.

Now John. Here's the question. Do you know where the millions used to start Bain Capitol came from?

Barack Davis is a Communist. Mitt Romney is bought and paid for by the Mormon Tabernacle and more of a Manchurian stealth Candidate than McCain could ever have been. (To be fair. I think McCain was simply a bumbling old fool.)

American Christian's are so desperately afraid of loosing their nexus of political control, though a couple more Obama SCOTUS Judge picks, that they are lining up and bending over the fence en mass to become Rmoney's new biblical plural wives.

Thanks, but I'll take the godless communist on the eve of WWIII, rather than the guy that wears magic underwear and thinks God will reward the Deacons of the Church with their own planet and as many wives as they want if he'll just push the button.

 

[carbinemike]

And Obama, Biden, Pelosi and Reid et al aren't bought and paid for...give me a break.

 

[John A.]

And Obama hasn't solicited oversea's campaign contributions?

 

[Blood_Trail]

Your right Mike. There is no viable third party candidate. That's why I'm going to vote for Obama. In my opinion the collapse of the American Social order is already inevitable. Rmoney, Ryan, Rand & Reardon aren't going to change that. All we can do now is try to soften the landing. To expound on Gingrich's first assessment of Ryan. I would say that not only is the Ryan plan "Right Wing Social Engineering" but a Right Wing map to an Orwellian Police State as well. Or do you really think we can make those sorts of entitlement cuts in this country without seeing a level of violence not seen since the Civil War?

I sat at a phone bank and made calls for Ronald Reagan and Bush 41. I have never voted for a Democrat in my adult life. I spent the Cold War voting Republican to Save this big, stupid, fat, happy country from nuclear annihilation at the hands of the Soviet's. All the while watching the Evangelicals and the money men slowly take the Party towards fascism. Now I'm 50 and desire nothing more than to die in the freedom envisioned by Franklin. Not the freedom envisioned by Cotton Mather. I've come to the conclusion that the only way to save conservativism is to destroy it, in it's current form.

Luckily, the Republican parties more extreme elements are helping me along quite a bit here, when they get Mien Kampf and Atlas Shrugged confused with one another. In the way that Ryan has.

Brother, it seems your problem is not with the Republican party, but with Christians.

 

[oli700]

Blah blah blah….words words words…….lets hope you are all men of action when the time comes because not one politician you all put stock into is telling the truth .Elephant ,donkey, hammer and sickle ….liars all. How can you all argue over who tell the best lies or who tells you more things that you want to hear? They all have one agenda and that is themselves. Their fame, their ego, their image, their forked tongue….religion, wow even bigger lies. Media, politics and religion…….the root of all evil. Sorry not trying to be a dick but since everyone is throwing in .02 ….this is a very awesome FIREARM forum……but they all need to be hung , love you guys lol

 

[ripjack13]

I do not blame internet forum moderators for the condition of this country. I blame that solely on the elected officials who write and pass and sign for the laws we must follow.
But I can't say with a straight face that I blame any of it on any mossberg forum moderator for the shape we're in.
So, I just cannot agree with your point that it's a small gun forum moderators fault. That statement made me chuckle out loud.

So the next time I hear someone say it's Bush's fault, I'm going to raise up out of my chair and scream "Awhh hell no ! It's all MikeD's fault."

MikeD, expect a phone call tonight from Georgey Worgey thanking you for finally sharing the blame and clearing his name because it's not all his fault no more.

OH OH OH...MR KOTTER...BLAME ME TOO!! I WANT TO SHARE IN MIKE'S SPOILS!!!!